So I know it would be illegal and there would be some sort of fight. What does that look like? Would other countries get involved to help us?

All of the Alamo postings got me thinking...

i know the Marine Corps would be one captain short on it's morning report.

Nope, No fighting.

Texas is a noncorporeal entity but it does have citizens and they would oppose any such idiotic idea.

Lets see, the coast sealed off by the US Navy, the only foreign help Texas could expect would have to come through Mexico. [sarcasm] I am just positive that Mexico would be more than willing to help Texans reestablish independence [/sarcasm]

Well, at least we know that people and goods could flow freely over the border, because they do now.

The biggest problem would be dealing with all the new illegals coming across the Red and Sabine rivers, and the land border with Newer Mexico.

If it ever happened, I get the feeling the rest of the south would too. Not for slavery but because our value system is not like the political elitists that try to run this country in the NE.

Also, this not the 1800s. If we truly united to secede and the US attacked, there would be a lot of countries protesting the hostilities.

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take a poll and see how many Texans would even entertain the idea.

A free trade/open borders agreement with Turkmenistan is more likely to happen.

Most of us like being Americans and understand the advantages that flow to us from that affiliation.

Texas is maybe the only state that could pull it off for two reasons:

1.) The existing infrastructure of industry and natural resources, also the states approach to environmental regulation (e.g. no carbon tax/cap trade) and Taxes.

2.) Texas is by far the most powerful “red” state. If other red states left it wouldn’t really effect the balance of power. Therefore, blue politicians may say good riddance to Texas and grow their power over the remaining 49 states considerably.

Didn't the Tories in the revolution run hide in Canada?

I get the feeling that a great many Texans are getting fed up with the federal government.

What if we "invited" Vladamir Putin to help us pull off the secession? [/sarcasm]

Other countries wouldn't care. They would laugh at us being like their dysfunctional asses.

Foolishness.

while the likelihood is quite low, let's entertain the idea.

the geography is quite daunting. there's no natural barriers in place, really. between Texas and the US. The Red and the Sabine really don't present much of a barrier, and there's so much flat real estate that is delineated by lines on a map. Bad sign.

The Gulf is really a USN backwater, and while the Navy doesn't really host much there NOW, that would change rapidly.

I could see a brief reconquista by federales from the North as well as the coast.

Along those same lines, we'd lose what little federal presence there is along the Mexican border. Would be open season on border crossings at least until we could get our own border guards in place.

Here's my solution: we offer safe passage to any Mexican transits. They will have 24 hours to cross Texas, at which point we escort them across the border into Oklahoma, Louisana and Newer Mexico. Automatic death penalty to any who remain in Texas.

"If", and I say just "if", I suspect that there would be Pro USA riots in Austin, Houston, Dallas and Fort Worth as well Pro USA enclaves in parts of Texas.

It would be pretty much like the Ukraine.

Who would fund Social Security and Medicare?

How about the responsibilities of the Veteran's Administration?

We would not need all these military bases because we would not care what happened to Japan or Korea vis-a-vis China or western Europe as to the Russians.

We would not have troops all over the world because we don't care what islamic fundamentalists do all over the world that is not Texas.

So we shut down all the military bases in Texas and tell their employees to go to wherever the US government moves them.

How do we negotiate trade agreements? How about embassies in the hundred plus countries we might want to sell to?

And how about a currency? Do you want your pension paid in dollars or Texanas?

By the way, south Texas would apply for admission to the US as a new state with San Antonio as the capital. I suspect central Texas would as well.

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Who funds it now?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S92fTz_-kQE

How far into Texas did the US get in the War Between The States ?

They really did not need to get into Texas. Isolating it did enough.

We would be invaded (again), occupied (again), and forced back into the U.S. at the point of the sword (again).

We are (still) too valuable to be allowed to leave.

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Ouch.

I think that if you reform anchor baby issues and enforce welfare fraud abuse laws, many problems would fix themselves.

As far as funding goes, I'm pretty sure that Texas sends out more money than we receive.

Enough military would return home to have an army.

I've always liked the idea.

Have you just ignored the rest of this thread?

Not at all. Should I have asked your approval before posting? I missed that part. My apologies

Apologies. I didn't mean to come across as an *******.

if a vote were held, secession would fail by a huge margin. Outside of a few lunatics, present company excepted (of course), nobody would favor it.

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if a vote were held, secession would fail by a huge margin. Outside of a few lunatics, present company excepted (of course), nobody would favor it.

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Agree.

What makes it lunacy is that it has been tried before and it is clear that the US would respond with OVERWHELMING FORCE to ensure the Union does not break apart.

What makes it lunacy is that in today's society, Texas included, there is not one predominant ideology but many, each with its own interest based on race, religion, or economic status. Once the break away process begins, each faction is going to try their damnedest to come out on top. It will not be some glorious revolution, it will be bloody and a lot of people are going to die just because some people continuously look at the situation with romantic notions and not with the reality of what such actions will bring.

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I'm not sure what makes secession lunacy. It obviously has its inherent problems, but so does the path the US is heading down. It might take a drastic move to right or course, or separate our course, but as you said, the vote would fail because too many Americans are soft/dumb/complacent to do anything while their ship is going down.

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Sad, but true.

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Obviously our federal government doesn't feel that way any longer as they support Taiwan remaining independent from China and they supported the break up of the USSR.

The clowns have set the precedent that states should reject the oppression of tyrants.

It's funny that you think the federal government won't (or shouldn't) have differing opinions on those issues. It's also funny that you compare our "oppression" to that of China.