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Dodds wants to keep the Big 12 together after A&M leaves

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KW02
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Dodds trying to play chess saying they want to keep the Big 12 together but its too late.
fightinags2013
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E1Jock....my exact thought
Stinky T
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KW02,
Past keeping the Big 12 together, their choices are extremely limited.
ColdPlayFan
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Gigemags05:
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I love watching them (tu)spew their mindless drivel.


Do you know how much "mindless drivel" is being spewed on this board?

schmellba99
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Georgia Tech left the SEC in the 1960s thinking they could go Indy and become the equivalent of Notre Dame nationally. The end result was a decline that took decades to overcome.


That's not exactly true - GA Tech left the SEC over scholarship issues more than anything - the state schools that didn't put nearly as much emphasis on academics as GA Tech would give 60-70 scholarships a year knowing that only a handful of those players would ever see the field. There weren't scholarship limitations back then like now, so schools did this strictly so that other schools wouldn't get a kid. GA Tech would be lucky to get 30 players every season.

Bobby Dodd floated a proposal to the SEC to address this, and one of the schools (don't know which one) that told him they would side with him crawfished at the meeting. Dodds got mad and walked out, and GA Tech - one of the charter members of the SEC - left the conference in 1964. Rumor has it that there would be no way in hell they would ever get back in due to this, but I don't know how true that really is.

They joined the ACC in '79 after a failed run at being an independent. I didn't realize that they were indy for that long.
RockInspector
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Have you listened to Dodds lately?

He thinks he can partner with Notre Dame on equal footing. He thinks he can keep the Big XII together, long term, after A & M leaves. He thinks he can still blame A & M for the Big XII going belly up. He thinks he had a legitimate point about the 7 v. 7 tournament in College Station. He is the Jones' and thinks his sh*t doesn't stink. Do you really want to get in to this argument?
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Dodds and Beebe can both go EAFD. They can't even see that their pissy little d-bag attitude is the reason this whole thing is blowing up in their faces. I will hit my knees every single night PRAYING that we can somehow leave these jackasses wallowing in their own delusion......
Bilbo Aggins
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Scott will pull tech and the okies away five minutes after we announce for the sec.

The whorns are deluding themselves. The package Scott has put together is better than anything dodds could do.

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Do you know how much "mindless drivel" is being spewed on this board?


About 99% comes from pathetic sip trolls like yourself.

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windmill.1
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OK, we'll give up the 7 on 7 EVERY year, but you have to give up the state championship games in the UIL every year.
Want to rotate them ?
24601
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Pretty sure the tournament isn't even on campus, just in CS. That is quite a weak argument.


It does take place on campus, but I don't think they play in Kyle. I could be wrong on that point though.
tmc94
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Scott will pull tech and the okies away five minutes after we announce for the sec.

The whorns are deluding themselves. The package Scott has put together is better than anything dodds could do.

This.

Once the door is open, the Pac is not going to stand pat. They are going to be aggressive because there is no where else for them to go. They cannot afford to be shut out on expansion or they will end up adding UNLV, NM, AF types when the 16+ team conferences come.

I'm sure they will make a run at tu to see if they can fit the LHN into their network but if not, someone else will get an invite. There is too much money for the OU/OSU/Tech trio to walk away from to maintain some weird dependent relationship when they have options.
ckwarren33
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tu going indie will be all sorts of fun. Can't wait to program the TV to watch tu versus Army, tu versus BYU, and tu versus New Mexico.
Jock 07
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oh ok; my cousin played in some 7 on 7 tournament a few years ago and I recall his games being @ one of the high schools
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Dodds actually thinking Notre Dame would ever join them??? The whole reason Notre Dame is independent is so they can create their own schedule and so that they don't have to split revenues with smaller schools hence why they have declined the Big Ten who would have given them an equal share and tried to maintain ND's rivalries. I would love to see Dodds try just so Notre Dame could spit in his face.
Dr. Mephisto
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Some her have already pointed out the UTTER STUPIDITY of Dodds comparison.

A 7 on 7 tournament is equal to a 24/7 propaganda machine.

Right.

That is serious idiocy.
G.E.R.
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This thread is testament to what happened since the late-90s. The A&M administration has been 10 steps behind DeLoss Dodds for years. You don't think he didn't anticipiate what A&M's reaction would be?

I posted several days ago that if A&M goes Notre Dame and BYU will jump in, and possibly TCU. I guarantee you that someone of Dodds stature does NOT throw Notre Dame out as a possibility unless there have been conversations on that topic.

Say what you want about him, but Texas is the most profitable athletic department in all of college sports. It is because of Dodds ESPN was willing to shell out $300M.

And so A&M's move to the SEC will be a win-win. Ya'll get to go to the SEC. And Texas keeps the LHN, the Big XII, which arguably will be an upgrade with Notre Dame, and, we WILL broadcast high school games. And it WILL be a recruiting advantage.

Enjoy the SEC. Ole Miss and Mississippi State need some company.


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CoachLB
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You sure the Horns and Irish egos can survive together? Both want to be the lead dog to much for this to last very long.I mean the Horns have blown this conference up always pushing to get everything their way, and ND feels the same and has a bigger football history.
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Dodds smiled and asked, "Do you know how we feel about that tournament being in College Station?" Then he smiled and said, "You probably don't because we never talk about it."


Tell ya what pruneface, we'll give up the 7on7 and you give up the high school games.

Tool.

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G.E.R.
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"You sure the Horns and Irish egos can survive together? Both want to be the lead dog to much for this to last very long.I mean the Horns have blown this conference up always pushing to get everything their way, and ND feels the same and has a bigger football history."

In case you didn't know this, Notre Dame's AD describes DeLoss Dodds as his "mentor".
Bird Poo
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we WILL broadcast high school games. And it WILL be a recruiting advantage.



And you think the SEC will stand by and let other schools air hs games? The only adavantage you'll get is a year or two, then everyone else will catch up and do the same thing. You can't air every game in the state dumbass. We'll air the same recruits you'll be going after the following week.

Oh yeah, make sure the NCAA rules in favor of your plan before you count your chickens.
dixichkn
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Bin Laden considered Al-Zawahiri "his mentor", and they were both lowlife dirtbags also. What's your point?
BNSAg
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I would be floored if the Big XII remains in any recognizable form 10 business days after the SEC move is formally announced. I can't imagine the other programs that will have options want to hang around only to get screwed when Texas finally decides to go independent.

Every conference in America has their contingency plans that they crafted last year. We are about to see shuffling like we have never seen before. The superconferences are coming and the Ags look like the first domino.
Bowhunter08
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GER you make me laugh to think the Irish turns down the B1G all the time but they would jump at a chance to play in the B12-3.

I do agree somewhat with you that Dodds has calculated our reaction and had to know we would not stand for tu's continual pushing the limits and creating instability in the conference. In the end it may be a win - win for both schools. However, tu position is more risky.
hbkyle
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Is he really trying the equate the 7 on 7 tourney which has a few hundred viewers, with a high school game on LHN which will have a few hundred viewers?

Now that I think about it, maybe they are equivalent.

aggie_2001_2005
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Notre Dame would never join the Big 9.

They would lose way too much money due to travel, and they have more money to be made in the northeast / midwest anyway.

They have a sweet deal as far as their program. Indy in football with a great BCS tie in, and part of the deepest conference in basketball. They are going nowhere.
laxtonto
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Why would Texas keep the Big 12 alive if they can bring in ND? All that would mean is that Ut/ND would have to keep the bylaws in place and still be stuck with the deadweight in the former Big 12N and Baylor.

The better bet would (if ND is truly willing to join forces with UT) be to let A&M take the blame, disband the Big 12 and then start over with a pick and choose mentality focusing on teams in both the eastern and central time zones.

Keep OU and UT, add ND and then build around them with teams that provide the media draw and the ability to sustain their own 3rd tier rights deals. If they want a loose confederation of confederates, then build a conference and the bylaws to support that. The TV networks will pay through the nose for those games with the potential of either Fox or NBC overpaying for the names.

I am not sure that this is not what Texas end game really is. This allows A&M what they want and long term puts all the major parties involved in much more stable ground. This might just be a farce to finally separate UT and A&M from the rest of the weaker members of the Big 12.

Correlation does not equal Causation
AnalogyAg
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Texas can't go indy right now- they know it. and in the long term, they can't stay indy.

they have royally screwed their own fans, who will deny it and talk about all the $$. In reality though, fans don't sit in bleachers to watch dollar bills flopping around- they go to watch good football entertainment.

the LIVE for great football. And t.u. aint going to be providing that. Good for them- the rich kid finally ran off his circle of friends.
Citizen Reign
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Dodds actually believes a major school is going to jump into bed with ESiPN. You get OU and that's it. OU will never leave the tit that gives so many stud recruits.

OU will do what ever Dodds ask. Dodds be pimpin' them hoes.
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Ger,
Ok I get it, Dodds is a genius. So why does A&M need to leave so tu can make a super conference with ND, TCU, & BYU (seriously)? Or is that for you to know, and us to find out later?
Burnsey
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Can't Dodds let us be a part of the tu-ND-TCU-BYU super conference too.?

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McNasty
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Dodds asked how many Aggies were in the crowd. When one of the Aggies asked if airing high school games on the Longhorn Network would be an unfair advantage for Texas, Dodds asked the Aggie about the state 7-on-7 tournament featuring high school players on the College Station campus every summer.

Dodds smiled and asked, "Do you know how we feel about that tournament being in College Station?" Then he smiled and said, "You probably don't because we never talk about it."

Don't spit on me and call it rain. I have been really disappointed by the truth-bending bold-faced lying from every level of this program. Apparently, everything has a price, including whatever morals they had. I don't care if we ever play them again, regardless of what network airs it.
Citizen Reign
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I posted several days ago that if A&M goes Notre Dame and BYU will jump in, and possibly TCU. I guarantee you that someone of Dodds stature does NOT throw Notre Dame out as a possibility unless there have been conversations on that topic.


And you think OU is gonna sit by quietly while Dodds makes some great deal (a split?) with ND? The conference is toast. How many BSC teams do you think will ask their fans and alum to pay ut austin to watch a game on tv?

good luck with getting ND and keeping OU happy.
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I don't think Dodds lies. I do firmly believe that he chooses his words carefully enough so as to give himself an "out" should more information become available in the future, or should he choose to disclose more info at a later point.

Bottom line to him is that it is just business. I would hire him to run a company for me based on what I have seen.



atfarmer
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Here's the thing: the population of Austin's metro area is almost 1.8 million people and yet it has no pro sports teams. That has given the horns a situation that no other team in the US enjoys: a lot Austinites see them as the city's source of sports entertainment. This is why they're so freaking rich. They're in a big city that doesn't have a pro sports team, so there's nobody else to compete with for attention.

Anyway, I think their fortunate situation led them to overestimate their power. Dodds saw that his dept made the most $$ in the country, and it eventually went to his head. He began to think he was smarter than all the other athletic directors in the conference because he was the most successful (money-wise). When we all (grudgingly) went along with the initial LHN plans last year, that was enough to confirm his suspicions that we were all in such awe of texas that he could press us endlessly.

I'm so glad we're about to tell them to shove it and bolt this craptastic conference and leave them to pick up the pieces. No other conferences want them because of their network which means that it's the big 12 or nothing. And those idiots think they'll convince the high and mighty Notre Dame, which already turned down the Big Ten, to fly 1.5k miles SW to join its band of servile, academic misfits.

What a joke

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