In reply to unmade bed Thanks. News isn't covering the other fronts closely at the moment so wasnt sure how intense any activity on the puppet borders were.

In reply to Kenneth_2003 I guess it's always brilliant when you do something so heinous that nobody remotely expects it.

In reply to TX04Aggie

TX04Aggie said:

---

Will there be a real incursion into Ukraine from the Belarus border as well, since they are a puppet of Russia?

---

Border video already been played of Russian IFV's rolling through.

In reply to Eliminatus

Eliminatus said:

---

W said:

---

from a military history standpoint...

the amphibious assault of Odessa might be a first.

(I think the Germans and Romanians took the city by land during WWII)

---

Not to mention the fact a large scale amphibious assault took place at all. (If it actually did). When was the last time that happened? Korea?

---

Depends on how one defines "large scale." On the order of anything in WWII where we landed entire army groups in 1-3 days, nope.

Russian does not have a massive amphibious component to its navy. They have enough to land some troops, but not an entire army, especially in only an hour or two.

In reply to Eliminatus

Eliminatus said:

---

W said:

---

from a military history standpoint...

the amphibious assault of Odessa might be a first.

(I think the Germans and Romanians took the city by land during WWII)

---

Not to mention the fact a large scale amphibious assault took place at all. (If it actually did). When was the last time that happened? Korea?

---

Ukrainian Defense Minister said Odessa hasn't fallen. I haven't seen what type of assault is taking place. Seems like some Russian disinformation out there.

We also need to slap HEAVY sanctions/tariffs on China again....we know China and Putin have been plotting this together. Put sanctions/tariffs on China first thing tomorrow, and tell Xi, YOU think you're so badass, and want a seat at the world table, deal with Russia yourself. Lets see what you got. Until then, NATO/Western nations are slapping you with tariffs and sanctions. Cut. Them. Off. Rip off the bandaid. Make this a China problem. They started it/sped it up.

(I'm tipsy, so be nice)

In reply to Rossticus

Rossticus said:

---

Eastern European members of NATO are invoking Article 4, which means urgent consultations on military plans for the alliance.

— Paul Sonne (@PaulSonne) February 24, 2022

---

For those wondering, I looked it up earlier after Ukrainian ambo invoked it.

Quote:

---

Article 4

The Parties will consult together whenever, in the opinion of any of them, the territorial integrity, political independence or security of any of the Parties is threatened.

---

https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natolive/official_texts_17120.htm

He did it in regard to Russia and called for the stepping down of it as the chair of the Security Council. Wonder what validity it has according to the wording of the Article.

Either way, it takes time to stir NATO into anything. We shall see

In reply to Eliminatus Inchon in 1950 is probably the most famous one since the end of WWII..

there have been smaller ones in the years since

In reply to Rapier108

Rapier108 said:

---

Eliminatus said:

---

W said:

---

from a military history standpoint...

the amphibious assault of Odessa might be a first.

(I think the Germans and Romanians took the city by land during WWII)

---

Not to mention the fact a large scale amphibious assault took place at all. (If it actually did). When was the last time that happened? Korea?

---

Depends on how one defines "large scale." On the order of anything in WWII where we landed entire army groups in 1-3 days, nope.

Russian does not have a massive amphibious component to its navy. They have enough to land some troops, but not an entire army, especially in only an hour or two.

---

they just need to apply some pressure from the south; the main thrust is coming across the border with Belarus from the north.

In reply to TRM

TRM said:

---

Eliminatus said:

---

W said:

---

from a military history standpoint...

the amphibious assault of Odessa might be a first.

(I think the Germans and Romanians took the city by land during WWII)

---

Not to mention the fact a large scale amphibious assault took place at all. (If it actually did). When was the last time that happened? Korea?

---

Ukrainian Defense Minister said Odessa hasn't fallen. I haven't seen what type of assault is taking place. Seems like some Russian disinformation out there.

---

I'm also seeing denials of any kind of large scale amphibious assault on Odessa but who the hell knows what to believe at this point.

Live cameras from Odessa show people walking around like nothing is happening. Some carrying bags of groceries, others going along like a normal day.

In reply to Rapier108

Rapier108 said:

---

Live cameras from Odessa show people walking around like nothing is happening. Some carrying bags of groceries, others going along like a normal day.

---

Saw something that Ukrainian Government said it was a false report.

In reply to TX04Aggie

TX04Aggie said:

---

Will there be a real incursion into Ukraine from the Belarus border as well, since they are a puppet of Russia?

---

this is a real killer for Ukraine --- getting attacked on 2 sides.

similar to Poland in 1939. Too much border to defend

Russia should take minimal territory or else make sure they win the Slovakian and Hungarian border regions. OTOH US/UK wish to prevent Eurasian integration and really want to keep this region. I think Joe Biden's minor incursion means anything except for the Slovak / Hungarian border regions. Pipeline-istan.

In reply to W Agreed. Very concerning to have a multi front attack.

In reply to Rapier108

Rapier108 said:

---

Live cameras from Odessa show people walking around like nothing is happening. Some carrying bags of groceries, others going along like a normal day.

---

Yeah I just went and looked up several supposed live webcams and things look somewhat normal there.

In reply to W

W said:

---

TX04Aggie said:

---

Will there be a real incursion into Ukraine from the Belarus border as well, since they are a puppet of Russia?

---

this is a real killer for Ukraine --- getting attacked on 2 sides.

similar to Poland in 1939. Too much border to defend

---

Well, Poland had an army which wasn't prepared to fight the First World War, much less the second. They still relied on cavalry. The Germans or Russians would have steamrolled them alone, just would have taken a little longer.

In reply to Rossticus

Rossticus said:

---

Eastern European members of NATO are invoking Article 4, which means urgent consultations on military plans for the alliance.

— Paul Sonne (@PaulSonne) February 24, 2022

---

All the 50+ years of money, meetings, infrastructure, for exactly this threat. Tweet says Article 4 is a strongly worded letter and scary serious sanctions is what I interpret.

#BREAKING: Top Ukrainian official says “you can be certain that hundreds of Ukrainian service members have already died from the Russian strikes.” — @westonblasi https://t.co/PqoFXKVCuT pic.twitter.com/91frw8Ee5o

— Breaking911 (@Breaking911) February 24, 2022

good summary of the forcesion the Black Sea and their potential

https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2022/02/massive-russian-navy-armada-moves-into-place-off-ukraine/

Seeing more videos of Su's and Ka-52's in the eastern part of Ukraine. With the claims of downing Russian aircraft, the air campaign has begun in earnest.

In reply to W

W said:

---

TX04Aggie said:

---

Will there be a real incursion into Ukraine from the Belarus border as well, since they are a puppet of Russia?

---

this is a real killer for Ukraine --- getting attacked on 2 sides.

similar to Poland in 1939. Too much border to defend

---

Pretty much worst case for them. Ukraine is NOT a strong military country. Pride can only go so far. They have a mash of old Soviet equipment and more modern Russian stuff with Western small arms sprinkled in. One area they definitely lack comparatively is military comms and intel. Which Russia is absolutely attacking first.

On paper from what I have seen, this is a lost war before it began. Of course, that is just wargaming on paper. Take the fight to the city streets with an armed and determined populace and this drags out and gets dirty. Again, I think this is the only real option Ukraine has really. With the attacks all over pinning down the regular forces, Russia should have the manpower and mobility to dictate the fight in a conventional sense. Soooo......Ukraine will probably have to go quite unconventional IMO

In reply to Agthatbuilds

Agthatbuilds said:

---

#BREAKING: Top Ukrainian official says “you can be certain that hundreds of Ukrainian service members have already died from the Russian strikes.” — @westonblasi https://t.co/PqoFXKVCuT pic.twitter.com/91frw8Ee5o

— Breaking911 (@Breaking911) February 24, 2022

---

Undoubtedly. Those MLRS strikes earlier were not at a training area. Those things are f'ing nasty. Grid Killers is another name for them and pretty damn accurate.

I remember watching a reporter on the first line trenches at the border. Looks like something me and the neighborhood boys built. Literally the first line of defense. The troops there were the equivalent of our National Guard but poorly trained, though stoic, bless them. There was no way they didn't get rolled up in the dark.

Statement of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of #Ukraine
on the new wave of aggression of the #Russian Federation against Ukraine | EMPR #RussiaInvadesUkraine pic.twitter.com/Xxbx8DYkx2

— Euromaidan PR (@EuromaidanPR) February 24, 2022

"Russian troops crossing into Ukraine from occupied Crimea." #Ukraine #Russia pic.twitter.com/ClbfzWFKQc

— Aleph א (@no_itsmyturn) February 24, 2022

Belarus - Ukraine relations should be damaged for a long, long time as a result of this.

they got along pretty well after the Soviet breakup...until recent years

In reply to Rapier108

Rapier108 said:

---

Live cameras from Odessa show people walking around like nothing is happening. Some carrying bags of groceries, others going along like a normal day.

---

"Live"

Possible Russian Jet shot down by Ukrainian SAM. #Ukraine pic.twitter.com/ND9Fy1FhiR

— Poised Tactical (@PoisedTactical) February 24, 2022

Senior German Green now saying "we must provide Ukraine with everything it needs for its self-defence. This is a turning point." That's a major change in the Greens' - and Germany's - approach to arms exports. https://t.co/f7J4qR2Xtq

— Guy Chazan (@GuyChazan) February 24, 2022

Saw a clip of a destroyed BMP. Unclear if RU or UA. This is unfortunately the first of many more to come.

In reply to Agthatbuilds

Agthatbuilds said:

---

Possible Russian Jet shot down by Ukrainian SAM. #Ukraine pic.twitter.com/ND9Fy1FhiR

— Poised Tactical (@PoisedTactical) February 24, 2022

---

Do we call that a twofer? The plane and pilot?

This looks like a Kh-31P air-launched anti-radar missile wreckage reportedly in Kyiv. https://t.co/NR8xDyymUc pic.twitter.com/CQ4UGq4Bnr

— Rob Lee (@RALee85) February 24, 2022