*** Official Trump Hush Money Trial Thread ***
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Reality Check
2:02p, 4/15/24
In reply to Science Denier
Science Denier said:


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\7hich of the following print publications, cable and or network programs, or online media such as websites, blogs, or social media platforms do you visit, read, or watch? (Read aloud)
- New York Times
- NTall StreetJournal
- USA Today
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- CNN
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- MSN
- Google
- Yahoo
- Facebook
- Truth Social
- X
- Tik Tok
- Other
- I do not follow the news
Is there a person on earth that say they don't read ANY of these, including "other"?

Is there a penalty for lying on a jury questionaire?
Sadly, I'd say 80 percent of Americans don't read ANY of those, including "other."

By the early 1990s, most Americans under the age of 24 said they were getting their news from MTV.
How do I get a Longhorn tag?
Mondemonium
2:02p, 4/15/24
This is surreal.
bobbranco
2:03p, 4/15/24
In reply to Ags77
Ags77 said:

Science Denier said:

Im Gipper said:

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In case anyone actually wants to know what is happening inside the courtroom other than this massive thread derail..
THANK YOU!!!

Keep up the posting please!


For those that are interested in what the jury is being asked, here are the questions:

https://www.nycourts.gov/LegacyPDFS/press/PDFs/Letter-re-jury-selection-4-8-24.pdf
LOL
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\7hich of the following print publications, cable and or network programs, or online media such as websites, blogs, or social media platforms do you visit, read, or watch? (Read aloud)
- New York Times
- NTall StreetJournal
- USA Today
- New York Post
- New York Daily News
- Newsday
- Huffington Post
- \X/ashington Post
- CNN
- Fox News
- MSNBC
- Newsmax
- MSN
- Google
- Yahoo
- Facebook
- Truth Social
- X
- Tik Tok
- Other
- I do not follow the news
Is there a person on earth that say they don't read ANY of these, including "other"?

Is there a penalty for lying on a jury questionaire?


I don't and haven't " read" any of those. I have watched CNN, or at least I should say it's on in our house.
If I watched CNN only I would transition into a brainwashed drone.
Ags77
2:06p, 4/15/24
In reply to bobbranco
bobbranco said:

Ags77 said:

Science Denier said:

Im Gipper said:

Quote:

In case anyone actually wants to know what is happening inside the courtroom other than this massive thread derail..
THANK YOU!!!

Keep up the posting please!


For those that are interested in what the jury is being asked, here are the questions:

https://www.nycourts.gov/LegacyPDFS/press/PDFs/Letter-re-jury-selection-4-8-24.pdf
LOL
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\7hich of the following print publications, cable and or network programs, or online media such as websites, blogs, or social media platforms do you visit, read, or watch? (Read aloud)
- New York Times
- NTall StreetJournal
- USA Today
- New York Post
- New York Daily News
- Newsday
- Huffington Post
- \X/ashington Post
- CNN
- Fox News
- MSNBC
- Newsmax
- MSN
- Google
- Yahoo
- Facebook
- Truth Social
- X
- Tik Tok
- Other
- I do not follow the news
Is there a person on earth that say they don't read ANY of these, including "other"?

Is there a penalty for lying on a jury questionaire?


I don't and haven't " read" any of those. I have watched CNN, or at least I should say it's on in our house.
If I watched CNN only I would transition into a brainwashed drone.


Can't say I " watch" much of CNN, but it's on some during the day. We watch certain tv shows and a LOT OF SPORTS, and some movies.
aggiehawg
2:08p, 4/15/24
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Prospective jurors occupy every available seat in the courtroom gallery and the jury box.

Many sit attentively as Judge Juan Merchan informs them of the basics of the case and runs through standard instructions that he said would take about 30 minutes.

It's a diverse cross-section of Manhattanites. The first panel consists of 96 people. Merchan said a total of about 200 jurors are in the courthouse for possible selection to the Trump case.

More than a dozen court officers stand sentry along the wood-paneled courtroom walls and in the aisle between the rows of wooden gallery benches where jurors sit. One man in the jury box gazed back toward the gallery, studying the prosecution's support team, which includes a desk with several computers a few feet from the jury box.
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Judge Juan Merchan just read off the names of more than 40 people who could be involved in the trial. The list included:
  • Members of the Trump family
  • Michael Cohen
  • Rudy Giuliani
  • Steve Bannon
  • Hope Hicks
The judge noted that not all of them will be witnesses but their names could be raised at trial.
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"If you have an honest legitimate good faith reason to believe you cannot serve on this case or cannot be fair and impartial, please let me know now," Judge Juan Merchan told the prospective jurors.
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Judge Juan Merchan is asking potential jurors to raise their hands if they believe they cannot be fair and impartial. He's excusing those jurors one by one as they give their numbers.

Several people have raised their hands so far.
Ags77
2:10p, 4/15/24
In reply to aggiehawg
aggiehawg said:

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Prospective jurors occupy every available seat in the courtroom gallery and the jury box.

Many sit attentively as Judge Juan Merchan informs them of the basics of the case and runs through standard instructions that he said would take about 30 minutes.

It's a diverse cross-section of Manhattanites. The first panel consists of 96 people. Merchan said a total of about 200 jurors are in the courthouse for possible selection to the Trump case.

More than a dozen court officers stand sentry along the wood-paneled courtroom walls and in the aisle between the rows of wooden gallery benches where jurors sit. One man in the jury box gazed back toward the gallery, studying the prosecution's support team, which includes a desk with several computers a few feet from the jury box.
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Judge Juan Merchan just read off the names of more than 40 people who could be involved in the trial. The list included:
  • Members of the Trump family
  • Michael Cohen
  • Rudy Giuliani
  • Steve Bannon
  • Hope Hicks
The judge noted that not all of them will be witnesses but their names could be raised at trial.
Quote:

"If you have an honest legitimate good faith reason to believe you cannot serve on this case or cannot be fair and impartial, please let me know now," Judge Juan Merchan told the prospective jurors.
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Judge Juan Merchan is asking potential jurors to raise their hands if they believe they cannot be fair and impartial. He's excusing those jurors one by one as they give their numbers.

Several people have raised their hands so far.



I would raise my hand and be out of there in a New York second, lol. Total waste of time and money.
aggiehawg
2:14p, 4/15/24
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"Please raise your hand if you're unable to serve on this jury for any other reason," judge asks pool
Judge Juan Merchan has moved on to his second question for potential jurors.

He asked the pool, "Please raise your hand if you're unable to serve on this jury for any other reason."
fc2112
2:14p, 4/15/24
In reply to Ags77
I'd crawl through broken glass to get on that jury.
Ags77
2:16p, 4/15/24
In reply to fc2112
fc2112 said:

I'd crawl through broken glass to get on that jury.


Lol. Not me. This trial could take awhile.
aggiehawg
2:17p, 4/15/24
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A group of 18 potential jurors have been called into the jury box.
Reminder, twelve jurors, six alternates for this trial since it is expected to last for several weeks.
Ags77
2:18p, 4/15/24
Hawg, how many strikes does each side get ?
Stat Monitor Repairman
2:23p, 4/15/24
aggiehawg
2:25p, 4/15/24
This is going to take awhile.

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At least nine more prospective jurors were excused after raising their hand when Judge Merchan asked if they could not serve for any other reason.

Those reasons were not disclosed.

That leaves approximately 34 jurors out of the 96 who entered court in the initial panel.
aggiehawg
2:25p, 4/15/24
In reply to Ags77
Ags77 said:

Hawg, how many strikes does each side get ?
IIRC, ten.
Ellis Wyatt
2:28p, 4/15/24
In reply to Mondemonium
Mondemonium said:

This is surreal.
Stalinist, even.
aggiehawg
2:31p, 4/15/24
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In a Cafe Brief newsletter that was reprinted in New York magazine on Friday, Honig presented both the pro and anti-Trump ways of looking at the Alvin Bragg case against Trump. The former federal and state prosecutor opined (emphasis, mine):
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Donald Trump is about to face trial for conduct that happened eight years ago; if you have kids in college now, they may have been in elementary school when it all went down.

The crime is a paperwork offense relating to how Trump and his businesses logged a series of perfectly legal (if unseemly) hush-money payments in their own internal records.

The prosecution's star witness is a convicted perjurer and fraudster who openly spews vitriol at the defendant, often in grotesque terms, essentially for a living.

The famously aggressive feds at the Southern District of New York passed on the case years ago, and current Manhattan district attorney Alvin Bragg's predecessor could have indicted (Trump] before he left office but did not.

The charges are either misdemeanors or the lowest-level felonies (depending on how the jury decides the case), and the vast majority of defendants convicted of similar offenses are sentenced to probation and fines, not prison.

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Honig continued:
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..Paying hush money is not a crime. In fact, a hush-money agreement, though seedy, is legally no different from any other contract between private parties. So Trump knowing about the Daniels payoff and he clearly did is merely a starting point here and insufficient to prove anything criminal.
The charged New York State crime here is falsification of business records. The DA alleges Trump had the hush-money payments fraudulently recorded in his internal books as "legal expenses" (rather than, I don't know, "hush money to porn star").
If proved, that's merely a misdemeanor, a low-level crime virtually certain to result in a non-prison sentence. For comparison, under the New York code, falsification of business records has the same technical designation as shoplifting less than $1,000 of goods.
Honig went on to write that if Trump was involved in logging those payments to Daniels into the internal records of his business, it would be a crime but not to the magnitude of Bragg's charges against the former president.

The Bottom Line

So here we and Donald Trump are, regardless of expert legal analysts.
The notion of whether 12 truly objective jurors can be found in this case reminds me of a trial in California that took place in October 1995. The accused was acquitted. He died last last Wednesday. His name was O.J. Simpson.
LINK

Bragg has even lost CNN.
Science Denier
2:35p, 4/15/24
In reply to Ags77
Ags77 said:

Science Denier said:

Im Gipper said:

Quote:

In case anyone actually wants to know what is happening inside the courtroom other than this massive thread derail..
THANK YOU!!!

Keep up the posting please!


For those that are interested in what the jury is being asked, here are the questions:

https://www.nycourts.gov/LegacyPDFS/press/PDFs/Letter-re-jury-selection-4-8-24.pdf
LOL
Quote:

\7hich of the following print publications, cable and or network programs, or online media such as websites, blogs, or social media platforms do you visit, read, or watch? (Read aloud)
- New York Times
- NTall StreetJournal
- USA Today
- New York Post
- New York Daily News
- Newsday
- Huffington Post
- \X/ashington Post
- CNN
- Fox News
- MSNBC
- Newsmax
- MSN
- Google
- Yahoo
- Facebook
- Truth Social
- X
- Tik Tok
- Other
- I do not follow the news
Is there a person on earth that say they don't read ANY of these, including "other"?

Is there a penalty for lying on a jury questionaire?


I don't and haven't " read" any of those. I have watched CNN, or at least I should say it's on in our house.
Other = TexAgs politics board
LOL OLD
aggiehawg
2:36p, 4/15/24
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Judge Juan Merchan is now moving on to juror questions.
The judge last week released the questionnaire that will be presented to potential jurors, which contains multiple questions that could signal political views to the lawyers on both sides.
Here's what potential jurors could be asked about:
  • News consumption.
  • Affiliations with groups like the Proud Boys, QAnon and Antifa.
  • Whether they or anyone in their circle attended a Trump rally or an anti-Trump event.
  • If they've ever read books or listened to podcasts from Michael Cohen, Trump's former lawyer and a key witness for the district attorney.
  • If they've read any of Trump's own books.
  • If they have views on whether a former president can be charged in state court.
  • If they have views on how Trump is being treated in this case.

FYI, Merchan sent out 500 summons for today. 200 showed up. Only 34 survived out of the first panel of 96 brought into court. We'll see how many actually get seated from this first panel. If less than 6, Merchan will have a venue prolem on his hands, IMO. Inability to seat a jury goes a long way for venue questions.
annie88
2:37p, 4/15/24
In reply to Old McDonald
Old McDonald said:

one thing we can all agree on: trump JFK cheated on his pregnant wife with a p*** star with many, many women.
Just saying, but that isn't what this trial is about either. Your obsession is noted.
annie88
2:37p, 4/15/24
In reply to aggiehawg
This judge has already made his mind up about this trial. What a jerk.
aggiehawg
2:38p, 4/15/24
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Voir dire has begun, according to pool reports, and a young woman has started answering the jury questionnaire.

Donald Trump is reading along with her as she answers, with his own copy.

The judge last week released the questionnaire that will be presented to potential jurors. It includes questions about a potential juror's news consumption and whether they've read any of Trump's books.
annie88
2:38p, 4/15/24
In reply to fc2112
fc2112 said:

I'd crawl through broken glass to get on that jury.
Why would you want to sit on a corrupt trial that already has its outcome decided?

You like corruption, lying, political persecution and bull*****
TTUArmy
2:40p, 4/15/24
In reply to Stat Monitor Repairman
Stat Monitor Repairman said:


How is that jury tampering? Being selected to sit on the jury, then purposely hanging the jury is not the same as tampering with the jury. Correct me if I'm wrong. Jury tampering would be someone outside the jury threatening a juror with harm to their person, family, business, etc... if they don't decide a particular way.
Rapier108
2:40p, 4/15/24
In reply to annie88
annie88 said:

fc2112 said:

I'd crawl through broken glass to get on that jury.
Why would you want to sit on a corrupt trial that already has its outcome decided?

You like corruption, lying, political persecution and bull*****
Because all it takes is 1 person to hang the jury.
"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." - Sir Winston Churchill
aggiehawg
2:40p, 4/15/24
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The third prospective juror answered "yes" when she was asked, "Do you have firmly held beliefs about Trump, or that he's a current candidate, that would interfere in your ability to be fair?"

Lawyers had a sidebar at the bench after she answered. Afterward, the judge announced the potential juror would be excused.

Trump remained seated during the sidebar.
aggiehawg
2:47p, 4/15/24
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A potential juror who was excused from the group was heard in the hallway saying, "I just couldn't do it" while leaving the courtroom, according to pool reports.

The juror was replaced.

They are now back to questioning.
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Court is taking a quick break. Donald Trump didn't say anything as he left the courtroom.
aggiehawg
2:48p, 4/15/24
Can you guys take the thread derail somewhere else?
aggiehawg
2:58p, 4/15/24
Quote:

Donald Trump urged the Supreme Court on Monday to reject special counsel Jack Smith's argument that the former president's post-2020 election actions should be considered by a jury even if the court finds Trump is entitled to some degree of immunity.

What Smith said: Smith claimed in his own brief last week that Trump's trial should proceed even if the court finds the former president is entitled to some degree of immunity. That's because, Smith said, at least some of Trump's efforts to overturn the election were private conduct, removed from his "official acts" as president that might be entitled to immunity.

What Trump's team argues: Trump blasted Smith's argument Monday, saying it would force courts to try to assess the motive of a former president. "This argument contradicts this court's precedents," Trump's attorneys wrote. "Immunity does not turn on 'the motivation for actual performance of [official] acts.'"

The case: The former president is hoping to delay a trial on federal charges that he attempted to subvert the results of the 2020 election. It is one of four criminal cases Trump faces.

More context: Trump's latest brief was the final written argument expected to land before the justices hear oral arguments next week on whether Trump may claim immunity from Smith's criminal charges in what has emerged as one of the high court's most significant cases of the year.
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So far, Judge Juan Merchan has questioned four members of the jury pool using the questionnaire.
Of the four, one was dismissed by the judge. Here's a look at the other three:

  • One woman who lives in Midtown and works in business development for a venture capital firm. She is married with no children and likes going out to restaurants in the city.
  • One man who lives in Midtown said he is a married creative director who enjoys hiking, cooking and playing with his daughter.
  • Another woman who lives on the Upper West Side and works in city government. She is married without children and said said she likes cooking, artwork and going to shows.
All three remaining potential jurors listed the New York Times and CNN as their sources of news. Two listed the Wall Street Journal and Google.

They all said they would not base their decision on bias or prejudice. They also did not have any political or intellectual or religious beliefs that would interfere in their ability to enter a verdict. None of them said they read any books written by Michael Cohen or Donald Trump.

The city employee said she followed Trump on social media, but none of the prospective jurors said they worked or volunteered for any pro-Trump or anti-Trump groups, or belonged to any of the fringe organizations.

The court is still on a break, and additional jurors will be questioned when the recess is ove
Correction: that was three out of 18.
LMCane
3:02p, 4/15/24
and when Trump is inevitably found guilty before the election-

what do you think that will do to his poll numbers in super close Arizona, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania?

wow- if only some people would have realized this a few months ago!
annie88
3:03p, 4/15/24
In reply to aggiehawg
Quote:

One woman in the second row from the back on the right, giggled and put her hand over her mouth, looking at the person seated next to her with raised eyebrows.
WTH?

As I said, this will be 100% libs and already decided, just like the other two BS cases.

This is absolutely disgusting.
annie88
3:04p, 4/15/24
In reply to LMCane
Good grief, hush.
aggiehawg
3:06p, 4/15/24
Quote:

Donald Trump is using the services of a jury consultant as part of his defense team, according to one source.
Well, gee I ould certainly hope he would use a jury consultant. That consultant can do mock trials to see how Trump taking the stand would be received and if it was necessary or not.
HTownAg98
3:07p, 4/15/24
No, that's the three of the 18 in the box. That sentence was poorly worded. The Judge has only questioned 4 or the 18 in the box. One was excused because his child was getting married soon.
aggiehawg
3:08p, 4/15/24
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After they finish questioning the 18 potential jurors who are in the box and the 16 others who are still in the room as part of the first jury pool, another panel of potential jurors will be brought in tomorrow, Judge Juan Merchan said.

Court is expected to go until 4:30 p.m. ET today.
Wish they could get the numbers straight.
aggiehawg
3:19p, 4/15/24
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A potential juror said he has a child getting married on June 8. Judge Juan Merhcan noted that it's right on the edge. He said the trial should be done by then, but he doesn't know for sure.

The potential juror said the wedding will be held in Seattle.

The judge excused the juror to "be on the safe side."
June 8 is on the edge? How long is this trial going to take?
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