Updates on House Foreign Aid Bill - Page 2

Hoyt Ag

1:49p, 4/20/24

Funky Winkerbean said:
MouthBQ98 said:
For those that understand global economics and geopolitics, sometimes you have to spend money in the present to prevent greater losses or future costs. How and when is debatable but that this is virtually always true sooner or later for a global military and economic power with trillions in international trade every year is not. It isn't a given that sending abroad is always wasteful and that it will never be profitable or prevent future costs. The presumption that all activities outside our borders are waste is faulty.

It can be asked and argued why Ukraine, and what is the cost and benefit? But I think these actually must be laid out instead of blindly presumed based on ideology. My personal view is that we unfortunately broke it and bought it with our WMD removal guarantee and our color revolution manipulations and our stake is our reputation of making threats and treaties that we actually will back up more than a year or two or a single congress Or administration. There are many malefactors that wish us harm and failure working against our interests and trade and military Allie's we draw benefit from having, and they all must understand our power and resolve. A fickle USA is weak and will be defied and ignored, and our economy and security will suffer. If you aren't the bully, you are the bullied, unfortunately.
My objections are based on strategy. Your points are certainly true and I understand the global aspect of our influence. What I don't want is to continue this circle jerk expenditure if we have no political will to WIN. What is the plan for victory?

There is no plan. I bet within a few weeks Ukraine will be asking for more money. The same people will be back on this forum supporting sending more money we do not have. Sickening.

There are other ways of beating malefactors that wish us harm, rather than sending HUNDREDS of billions of dollars in a war that is going to go on for years.

CREAg87

1:51p, 4/20/24

In reply to Dan Scott

Also, when it come to out own defense, we have massive issues to sort here. Procurement of new ships and submarines is a disaster, the F-22 will have a shorter service life than intended, the F-35's still have issues and not nearly enough of them are ready for frontline service. We wasted untold billions on the Zumwalts and LCS and neither can do what we want.

Keep your rifle by your side

samurai_science

2:04p, 4/20/24

In reply to Gordo14

Gordo14 said:
Logos Stick said:
Way to go Mr Mike "212" Johnson. Giving the Dems exactly what they want.

Screw that dude.

Overwhleming support from Republicans too. Maybe this forum is just wrong.

Wrong, on the debt? We are broke....

f1ghtintexasaggie

2:06p, 4/20/24

**** every single one of these anti-America, pro-Empire asshats.

"Wherever the standard of freedom and Independence has been or shall be unfurled, there will her heart, her benedictions and her prayers be.

But she goes not abroad, in search of monsters to destroy.

She is the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all.

She is the champion and vindicator only of her own.

She will commend the general cause by the countenance of her voice, and the benignant sympathy of her example.

She well knows that by once enlisting under other banners than her own, were they even the banners of foreign independence, she would involve herself beyond the power of extrication, in all the wars of interest and intrigue, of individual avarice, envy, and ambition, which assume the colors and usurp the standard of freedom.

The fundamental maxims of her policy would insensibly change from liberty to force....

She might become the dictatress of the world. She would be no longer the ruler of her own spirit...."

- J.Q. Adams, 1821

samurai_science

2:06p, 4/20/24

F our middle class I guess...yay

More inflation here we come

angus55

2:22p, 4/20/24

Damn there's some ignorant people on this thread. The days of Wilkie are long gone. Biden's weakness on foreign policy is too blame for this. But we have to understand there is an axis power forming around China, Russia, and Iran. We must counter it or fall. The US must lead or the world is more dangerous. See post botched Afghan withdrawal. And Mike Johnson is governing. So yall can get off his ass. And whoever hopes MTG or Don can save anything. Bless your heart.

We'll win this war, but we'll win it only by fighting and by showing the Germans that we've got more guts than they have, or ever will have. We're not going to just shoot the sons-of-b******, were going to rip out their living G*******d guts and use them to grease the treads of our tanks. We're going to murder those lousy Hun c********** by the bushel-f****** basket. War is a bloody killing business. You've got to spill their blood or they will spill yours. Rip them up the belly. Shot them in the guts.

annie88

2:29p, 4/20/24

Absolutely disgusting to see them waving the Ukrainian flag.

We are in scary times my friends. Scary times.

🚨 “Ukraine” chants break out on the House floor…

This is your Congress, America.

pic.twitter.com/EFjHiJyYGv
— Benny Johnson (@bennyjohnson) April 20, 2024

Our border is being invaded by 8+ million illegal aliens

Fentanyl is killing tens of thousands of Americans

We have record inflation, unaffordable housing, rising violent crime, and grocery bills that cost double

And what does Congress do?

Wave Ukrainian flags pic.twitter.com/EZWmVqM6L3
— DC_Draino (@DC_Draino) April 20, 2024

aggiehawg

2:33p, 4/20/24

In reply to annie88

That's an eye roll, a sigh and a little vomit in my mouth picture.

Logos Stick

2:38p, 4/20/24

Israel has a 65% debt to GDP.

We have a 125% debt to GDP.

Isreal should be giving us money.

plain_o_llama

2:39p, 4/20/24

Money in a bill labeled foreign aid may not correlate closely with money going to effective aid in those countries. There are lots of steps and skim between here and there. Many believe Washington was essentially voting on bonuses for themselves, friends, family, lobbyists, foreign interests, etc with this bill.

MouthBQ98

2:40p, 4/20/24

In reply to Funky Winkerbean

This I will agree with. The bill avrually required this administration to outline what our strategy is publicly and explain what we intend to achieve and presumably how we will benefit or avoid future problems.

My personal view is that it is strategically and tactically unlikely that Ukraine recovers lost territory by force. They can stabilize the current lines. Future borders can then be negotiated and secured. This will end because it has to. Nobody involved can of will sustain it indefinitely, but if both sides can be brought to a static front, the futility of continuing can be raised and it can be brought to a negotiated end. Borders can be negotiated and fortified and that is the reality.

aggiehawg

2:40p, 4/20/24

In reply to plain_o_llama

plain_o_llama said:
Money in a bill labeled foreign aid may not correlate closely with money going to effective aid in those countries. There are lots of steps and skim between here and there. Many believe Washington was essentially voting on bonuses for themselves, friends, family, lobbyists, foreign interests, etc with this bill.

Or a hostage video.

Logos Stick

2:40p, 4/20/24

In reply to angus55

angus55 said:
Damn there's some ignorant people on this thread. The days of Wilkie are long gone. Biden's weakness on foreign policy is too blame for this. But we have to understand there is an axis power forming around China, Russia, and Iran. We must counter it or fall. The US must lead or the world is more dangerous. See post botched Afghan withdrawal. And Mike Johnson is governing. So yall can get off his ass. And whoever hopes MTG or Don can save anything. Bless your heart.

Axis my ass. Counter it or fall? LMAO

212 Johnson is gone at year end.

Good riddance.

MouthBQ98

2:44p, 4/20/24

I also agree own border is a more immediate and important issue but the party with the White House largely controls border policy and a divided congress can't change that. The Dems WANT an open border, so tantrums in the House will gain us nothing.

The ONLY border solution is to re-take the presidency. All border control efforts should be directed towards that goal, and it would by far result in the most immediate and complete change in policy. It is the only way. All this legislative chaos is a distraction.

bobbranco

2:45p, 4/20/24

In reply to Logos Stick

Quote:
212 Johnson

What does the 212 reference?

aggiehawg

2:47p, 4/20/24

Put those damn flags away. It is a disgrace to display any other flag than the American flag in the House Chamber! pic.twitter.com/WDjU7lQYi2
— Rep. Anna Paulina Luna (@RepLuna) April 20, 2024

Logos Stick

2:50p, 4/20/24

In reply to bobbranco

bobbranco said:
Quote:
212 Johnson

What does the 212 reference?

"Privacy hawks in both parties have pushed for years for a warrant requirement, but fell just short last week when their bid to end warrantless searches on 702-gathered communications failed in a dramatic 212-212 tie vote."

Johnson voted with the Dems on not requiring a warranty, the amendment failed. He was the 212th vote that caused the tie which killed it.

bobbranco

2:52p, 4/20/24

In reply to Logos Stick

Thanks for the explanation.

Did not hear about his idiotic vote.

BassCowboy33

2:53p, 4/20/24

In reply to tremble

tremble said:
Gordo14 said:
Slicer97 said:
Thank you Democrat voters.

2/3rds of Republican House members voting yes. Blames Democrats.

Insert Principal Skinner meme here.
This forum is unhinged now.

I enjoy coming here because it gives a unique perspective not seen many places. The viewpoints here are much more conservative than most Republicans, sometimes drastically so. It's interesting to see how people think.

TxAgPreacher

2:56p, 4/20/24

America First!

Any republican that votes 1 penny of aid to any country before the border wall is a republican I would not vote for.

Raiderjay

3:00p, 4/20/24

sick and disgusting......

invasion at the border, major cities overrun with violence, drug cartels flooding streets with Fentanyl, people struggling to pay bills with inflation....

but hey lets send billions to defend other countries.....

Detmersdislocatedshoulder

3:00p, 4/20/24

In reply to rocky the dog

rocky the dog said:

i agree with everything rand said however he should have started with this.

first and foremost this is an absolute middle finger to every US citizen. we know you're struggling and we have a massive border crisis but the house thought would be better to tell you how little they think of you by flipping you the bird and passing this bill. after they passed it they all went out for a 10,000 dollar steak breakfast and used their federal government card to pay the bill.

YouBet

3:03p, 4/20/24

In reply to MouthBQ98

MouthBQ98 said:
I also agree own border is a more immediate and important issue but the party with the White House largely controls border policy and a divided congress can't change that. The Dems WANT an open border, so tantrums in the House will gain us nothing.

The ONLY border solution is to re-take the presidency. All border control efforts should be directed towards that goal, and it would by far result in the most immediate and complete change in policy. It is the only way. All this legislative chaos is a distraction.

Which is pointless because the Dems will just reverse course when back in power. And my statement is pointless as well because the Republicans aren't getting the POTUS back. So our only hope is basically Abbott continuing to transfer illegals into blue cities to force the issue.

That is literally our only option left to get the border addressed. That is f'ing incredible that we can't depend on a bipartisan belief that we should secure our border.

This country is done and every vote that happens is further proof of it.

Logos Stick

3:31p, 4/20/24

Johnson is sharing the GOP Speakership with Democrats.

To bring Ukraine spending up for a vote, he made a deal with Democrats on the procedural vote.

Then he passed the bill today with every Democrat voting YEA and a majority of Republicans voting NAY.https://t.co/5d1QLOgmEy pic.twitter.com/hbN7voL9xL
— Thomas Massie (@RepThomasMassie) April 20, 2024

BassCowboy33

3:34p, 4/20/24

In reply to Logos Stick

Logos Stick said:
Johnson is sharing the GOP Speakership with Democrats.

To bring Ukraine spending up for a vote, he made a deal with Democrats on the procedural vote.

Then he passed the bill today with every Democrat voting YEA and a majority of Republicans voting NAY.https://t.co/5d1QLOgmEy pic.twitter.com/hbN7voL9xL
— Thomas Massie (@RepThomasMassie) April 20, 2024

Holy bipartisanship, Batman!

BigRobSA

3:43p, 4/20/24

In reply to BassCowboy33

BassCowboy33 said:
Logos Stick said:
Johnson is sharing the GOP Speakership with Democrats.

To bring Ukraine spending up for a vote, he made a deal with Democrats on the procedural vote.

Then he passed the bill today with every Democrat voting YEA and a majority of Republicans voting NAY.https://t.co/5d1QLOgmEy pic.twitter.com/hbN7voL9xL
— Thomas Massie (@RepThomasMassie) April 20, 2024

Holy bipartisanship, Batman!

Liberalism

Logos Stick

3:46p, 4/20/24

In reply to BassCowboy33

BassCowboy33 said:
Logos Stick said:
Johnson is sharing the GOP Speakership with Democrats.

To bring Ukraine spending up for a vote, he made a deal with Democrats on the procedural vote.

Then he passed the bill today with every Democrat voting YEA and a majority of Republicans voting NAY.https://t.co/5d1QLOgmEy pic.twitter.com/hbN7voL9xL
— Thomas Massie (@RepThomasMassie) April 20, 2024

Holy bipartisanship, Batman!

You dgas about bipartisan. You are happy because your side, the left, won.

Russ Dalrymple

3:50p, 4/20/24

From Kennedy VP pick

I remember as a 12 year old waking up in downtown Oakland and realizing our car had been broken into and the $1.50 I was relying on to buy a McDonald’s breakfast sandwich had been stolen.

Watching our leadership today send $60B to Ukraine while waving another nation’s flag is… pic.twitter.com/IfE9wp0ePa
— Nicole Shanahan (@NicoleShanahan) April 20, 2024

45-70Ag

3:54p, 4/20/24

Ukrainian flags fly in the chamber of the UNITED STATES House of Representatives as they vote to send more of your hard-earned money to a corrupt foreign regime. And just like that they shout “UKRAINE! UKRAINE!”while happily working to secure Ukraine’s borders, not ours. pic.twitter.com/ZXZo1kliNl
— Rand Paul (@RandPaul) April 20, 2024

General Jack D. Ripper

4:08p, 4/20/24

Maybe Rand can start reading the complete works of Dostoevsky during his filibuster. I am dismayed by the criminals that occupy our allegedly democratic government.

Rand Paul may be the only honest man there.

zoneag

4:12p, 4/20/24

aggiehawg

4:13p, 4/20/24

The US is expected to impose sanctions on the IDF's haredi Netzach Yehuda battalion over accusations of human rights abuses by its soldiers, Axios' @BarakRavid reported.

Among other things, the sanctions will prevent the transfer of aid or equipment to the battalion. pic.twitter.com/N7Bc8qYazq
— Israel National News - Arutz Sheva (@ArutzSheva_En) April 20, 2024

Anyone know anything about this?

Im Gipper

4:19p, 4/20/24

Complete FAIL by Republicans!!!!

I'm Gipper

DeProfundis

4:19p, 4/20/24

In reply to Dan Scott

Dan Scott said:
Everybody in America just donated $300 to Ukraine/Israel/Taiwan or $600 for every taxpayer.

Israel and Taiwan are rich. Ukraine is poor but this money just prolongs the inevitable.

This type of thing is what's wrong with the USA. We're taxed up the ass and nothing to show for it. Anything public service sucks here. This is where the Rs really piss me off sometimes. They'll vote for something like this giving a nice payday to defense companies but god forbid $95B is spent on the American people. Spend $95B on the American people and it's socialism or inflation or debt is out of control. Spend $95B on anything but the American people and all of a sudden those things don't matter.

Don't spend it at all or if you must spend it, give to actual Americans.

Yes. Don't waste money, but if you're going to waste money, waste it on yourself.

Make breakfast lunch and dinner free for all kids in public school, subsidize insulin, or I don't know, fix the roads and bridges. Literally anything other than giving money away to other countries

No Spin Ag

4:20p, 4/20/24

In reply to Logos Stick

Logos Stick said:
Johnson is sharing the GOP Speakership with Democrats.

To bring Ukraine spending up for a vote, he made a deal with Democrats on the procedural vote.

Then he passed the bill today with every Democrat voting YEA and a majority of Republicans voting NAY.https://t.co/5d1QLOgmEy pic.twitter.com/hbN7voL9xL
— Thomas Massie (@RepThomasMassie) April 20, 2024

I did not have nearly half of the Republicans voting with the dems on this.

The primaries are going to be epic for those folks. I don't know if there's enough popcorn for that.

There are in fact two things, science and opinion; the former begets knowledge, the later ignorance. Hippocrates