In reply to K2-HMFIC

K2-HMFIC said:

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Wyoming Aggie said:

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Can we ban TSA while we're at it?

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And replace it with what?

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Facial recognition cameras like Wal Mart uses to know who you are, how long you'll be in the store, what you're likely to buy and how much you'll spend the second you walk in the store. Something they've been doing for about 20 years now.

Actually nothing would be 5% worse than the current TSA.

In reply to K2-HMFIC

K2-HMFIC said:

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Wyoming Aggie said:

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Can we ban TSA while we're at it?

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And replace it with what?

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Always easy to spot the liberal.

Now let's do Disney for their fast passes

Oh yeah, that's right, Disney grooms children and is exempt.

This line of thinking could lead some lefty to propose banning expensive electric cars because poor people have to drive old busted Dodge chargers and similar.

In reply to slaughtr

slaughtr said:

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Clear annoys the crap outta me. I have Pre-TSA and Global Entry. It's fine if Clear wants to operate and charge people to get through quicker. It's the American way. If I thought I needed it, I would join. But they just walk to the front of pre-TSA and barge in. Screw that, get your own line. Charge people whatever you want and pay an extra TSA agent to be just for Clear.

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Last time I did TSA pre in Austin there was a line for Clear and no line for TSA Pre.

I walked right past all the Clear passengers no problem.

In reply to Wyoming Aggie

Wyoming Aggie said:

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Can we ban TSA while we're at it?

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Let's see, you have 31 stars, and it's probably a fair comment, but when I entered the chat on Air Marshals, holy batman did this board lose their minds and treat me like a Biblical leper Joel Osteen warned them about the previous Sunday....

https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3451851/2

"Though, I don't see the collective thought here being terribly respectful of TSA agents, even though they're the first line of defense (beyond automated passenger name/DOB checks) that 99.99% of us flyers have to deal with and are by far the most visible and proactive security measures we and the terrorists see at American airports. " -- Lil' Ol' Me.


I'm not saying TSA is perfect, and I'm not a huge fan of them either.

In reply to Madagascar

Madagascar said:

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Clear is BS. Who gave them the right to barge in front of everyone? I get the pre-check as it is government handled but Clear is selling something they shouldn't have the right to sell. Also what happens when everyone signs up for Clear? They will just up the prices more for those who can afford it, thus making the whole cost of travel inflate exponentially just for a middle man to make bank while the rest of us suffer.

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I agree with the principle, but from a purely layman's perspective as I obviously don't handle airports as a FT job....

Airports... owned publicly, privately or a mixture of both.
Security... Generally handled by TSA, but if the airport decides to go with a private contractor, that's acceptable but said contractor has to meet or exceed TSA standards.

https://www.tsa.gov/for-industry/screening-partnerships
None of the airports mention appear to be in Texas, and if they are, they're tiny.


Clear.... publicly traded company that contracts with airports and as part of their contracts, allows their clear members to go to the front of the TSA pre-check line.

Again, I don't sit here and profess to know the specifics and ins and outs of private contracts, but it's your hometown airport (statistically IAH, HOU, DFW, or DAL) that allows Clear members to be line-cutters.

Does CLEAR have competition? Sounds like a monopoly to me.

I thought they had their own line and checking agent - that's what I've seen. That's fine with me.

Allowing them to cut the other lines? Yeah I see why people don't like that.

For once, California may be right about this one. It's an unfair match between a private company and the federal govt with an unfair implementation when line skipping is employed at some airports.

The idea is fine as long as competition is allowed and there is non-interference with general boarding.

In reply to FDT 1999

FDT 1999 said:

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Socialist position: "Everyone should be equally miserable in our country. How dare you make your lot in life better for you and your family? That's not fair to everyone else."

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First class seats need to go away too, cause only the rich folks get to use them and most of them are white. Not fair at all to the less fortunate.

In reply to K2-HMFIC

K2-HMFIC said:

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Wyoming Aggie said:

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Can we ban TSA while we're at it?

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And replace it with what?

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Profiling

In reply to slaughtr

slaughtr said:

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Clear annoys the crap outta me. I have Pre-TSA and Global Entry. It's fine if Clear wants to operate and charge people to get through quicker. It's the American way. If I thought I needed it, I would join. But they just walk to the front of pre-TSA and barge in. Screw that, get your own line. Charge people whatever you want and pay an extra TSA agent to be just for Clear.

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Just go back to how it was pre 9/11. Today security has turned into a racket to charge more just to go quicker. Gtfo. All a motivated terrorist needs to do is blow up the security line.

In reply to C@LAg

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Cali gonna Cali solving problems that do not exist.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/airport-security-line-california-clear-ban-tsa/

A new bill, the first of its kind in the U.S., would ban security screening company Clear from operating at California airports as lawmakers take aim at companies that let consumers pay to pass through security ahead of other travelers.

Sen. Josh Newman, a California Democrat and the sponsor of the legislation, said Clear effectively lets wealthier people skip in front of passengers who have been waiting to be screened by Transportation Security Administration agents.

"It's a basic equity issue when you see people subscribed to a concierge service being escorted in front of people who have waited a long time to get to the front of TSA line," Newman told CBS MoneyWatch. "Everyone is beaten down by the travel experience, and if Clear escorts a customer in front of you and tells TSA, 'Sorry, I have someone better,' it's really frustrating."

If passed, the bill would bar Clear, a private security clearance company founded in 2010, from airports in California.

Newman said his bill, SB-1372, doesn't seek to prohibit Clear from operating its own dedicated security lines separate from other passengers.

"The bill doesn't seek to punish Clear or put it out of business. It wants to create a better traffic flow so customers aren't intersecting with the general public and causing a moment of friction that is so frustrating to the average traveller," he said. "All it does is up the tension in the line."

the bill "would restore equal access and treatment at the airport security checkpoint by requiring companies like Clear to operate in a dedicated security lane, separate from general travelers and TSA PreCheck members."

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If I'm reading this correctly, it's not actually banning the lines... it just wants them moved to a different spot so the lolpoors don't have to suffer the indignity of realizing they're poor.

Honestly, I feel like this is something the wealthy would historically support: economic segregation while traveling.

In reply to C@LAg Dems are always tackling the important issues.

Fake news. Everyone knows that it's impossible for black people to get IDs, so they aren't getting on any airplane.

How about this one …

They need to let all farmers and ranchers to the front of the check in line … they put the food on our tables. If you want to get in front become a farmer or rancher

I think what may be getting missed here is that this Congressman is proposing that Clear has its own security screening lane. They already have their own queue line; they don't have their own dedicated security screening lane.

And why this would kill Clear in California is because this Congressman knows that very few airports have the capacity or can justify the expense or change they would have to make to either add a new security lane with scanning for Clear or carve out an existing one for a private company.

In reply to fullback44

fullback44 said:

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How about this one …

They need to let all farmers and ranchers to the front of the check in line … they put the food on our tables. If you want to get in front become a farmer or rancher

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I would say Doctors. They are the real heros. Anyone with a Medical license gets to go to the front of the line.

In reply to K2-HMFIC

K2-HMFIC said:

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Wyoming Aggie said:

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Can we ban TSA while we're at it?

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And replace it with what?

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9/11 was NOT a failure of airport security. It was a failure at the federal law enforcement level that allowed the terrorists to get that far in the first place.

In reply to Kenneth_2003

Kenneth_2003 said:

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K2-HMFIC said:

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Wyoming Aggie said:

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Can we ban TSA while we're at it?

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And replace it with what?

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9/11 was NOT a failure of airport security. It was a failure at the federal law enforcement level that allowed the terrorists to get that far in the first place.

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If I recall correct, all the VISAs of the hijack pilots were fast tracked by the gooberment. Really makes you think.

In reply to Fightin_Aggie

Fightin_Aggie said:

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slaughtr said:

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Clear annoys the crap outta me. I have Pre-TSA and Global Entry. It's fine if Clear wants to operate and charge people to get through quicker. It's the American way. If I thought I needed it, I would join. But they just walk to the front of pre-TSA and barge in. Screw that, get your own line. Charge people whatever you want and pay an extra TSA agent to be just for Clear.

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Last time I did TSA pre in Austin there was a line for Clear and no line for TSA Pre.

I walked right past all the Clear passengers no problem.

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Last Thursday morning at Love Field, the Clear line was longer than TSA Precheck. Coming back from Nashville, the Clear was a little shorter, but it meant the difference between 1 minute for Clear and 1.5 minutes for Precheck.

I say keep Clear. What seems to be happening is all the people that want even more privilege are getting Clear, making TSA Precheck a nice little pocket in the middle between General and Clear.

In reply to K2-HMFIC

K2-HMFIC said:

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Wyoming Aggie said:

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Can we ban TSA while we're at it?

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And replace it with what?

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Nothing sounds pretty good to me.

In reply to Madagascar Call the whambulance. I fly weekly for work and it's money. What the airports need is a dedicated security line for real frequent travelers like myself, I'll pay whatever.

In reply to TheRatt87 I'd pay for an elite tier in a heartbeat.

In reply to C@LAg

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wealthier people skip in front of passengers

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Nope, most likely they've don the TSA pre-check, which anyone can do, you just have to take the time to got get it, kind of like a voter ID.

Once again, they're making up *****

In reply to slaughtr

slaughtr said:

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fullback44 said:

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How about this one …

They need to let all farmers and ranchers to the front of the check in line … they put the food on our tables. If you want to get in front become a farmer or rancher

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I would say Doctors. They are the real heros. Anyone with a Medical license gets to go to the front of the line.

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you sure Frank.. after the Covid disaster? not sure I trust very many Drs these days...

I wouldn't want to travel without my Clear membership!

Highly recommend

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fullback44 said:

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slaughtr said:

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fullback44 said:

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How about this one …

They need to let all farmers and ranchers to the front of the check in line … they put the food on our tables. If you want to get in front become a farmer or rancher

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I would say Doctors. They are the real heros. Anyone with a Medical license gets to go to the front of the line.

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you sure Frank.. after the Covid disaster? not sure I trust very many Drs these days...

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In reply to slaughtr

slaughtr said:

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Clear annoys the crap outta me. I have Pre-TSA and Global Entry. It's fine if Clear wants to operate and charge people to get through quicker. It's the American way. If I thought I needed it, I would join. But they just walk to the front of pre-TSA and barge in. Screw that, get your own line. Charge people whatever you want and pay an extra TSA agent to be just for Clear.

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You're just pissed that what you paid for (gubmint version) isn't as good at what I paid for (private industry version).

And paid for is somewhat incorrect, since my AMEX gives me a credit to cover it...

In reply to K2-HMFIC

K2-HMFIC said:

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Wyoming Aggie said:

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Can we ban TSA while we're at it?

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And replace it with what?

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Who said anything about "replace"?

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One Louder said:

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slaughtr said:

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Clear annoys the crap outta me. I have Pre-TSA and Global Entry. It's fine if Clear wants to operate and charge people to get through quicker. It's the American way. If I thought I needed it, I would join. But they just walk to the front of pre-TSA and barge in. Screw that, get your own line. Charge people whatever you want and pay an extra TSA agent to be just for Clear.

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We had Clear for a year when our credit card had a promotion to offer it to cardholders for free. Whenever we used it, we had to find the "Pre-Check/Clear Line" which was separate. I can't remember all the airports we visited that year but I know that was the case at Bush. I wonder if it has to do with the amount of traffic in the security lines as to whether or not they get their own line at any given point in the day...

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I've used it at a number of airports...but the best one is at MCO.

With all the tourons and business people, Security sucks. Even TSA Pre is full there, but not the Clear line. Saves me tons of time every time I go through there.

In reply to Madagascar

Madagascar said:

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Clear is BS. Who gave them the right to barge in front of everyone? I get the pre-check as it is government handled but Clear is selling something they shouldn't have the right to sell. Also what happens when everyone signs up for Clear? They will just up the prices more for those who can afford it, thus making the whole cost of travel inflate exponentially just for a middle man to make bank while the rest of us suffer.

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Congress AUTHORIZED them to do it...

In reply to TheRatt87

TheRatt87 said:

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Clear has devalued their product significantly over time. It used to be a great product for mostly business travelers paying for the convenience of bypassing lines & some of the standard TSA bs.

Now because of free trials, credit card deals, cheap family member add ons, and limited Clear staffing, it's typically faster to just use the standard lines. When you see an abundance of folks in pajama pants & slippers and families with multiple kids in the Clear line, you know something is wrong.

But Clear has found their sweetspot on pricing that maximizes revenue, and its low enough that too many people are members. I expect Clear to come out with a Premier/Diamond level with another separate line for folks willing to pay $500/yr for actual convenience.

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Maybe it's just the airports I go to, but I haven't seen that. But, I do get your point - they have made it cheaper and more accessible.

In reply to Ghost91

Ghost91 said:

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Fake news. Everyone knows that it's impossible for black people to get IDs, so they aren't getting on any airplane.

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So, you don't need an ID to fly on Spirit?

This thread reminds me of the Batt cartoon that pissed so many people off for being "racist" and insinuating something about working for the TSA.

In reply to Ag with kids

Ag with kids said:

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slaughtr said:

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Clear annoys the crap outta me. I have Pre-TSA and Global Entry. It's fine if Clear wants to operate and charge people to get through quicker. It's the American way. If I thought I needed it, I would join. But they just walk to the front of pre-TSA and barge in. Screw that, get your own line. Charge people whatever you want and pay an extra TSA agent to be just for Clear.

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You're just pissed that what you paid for (gubmint version) isn't as good at what I paid for (private industry version).

And paid for is somewhat incorrect, since my AMEX gives me a credit to cover it...

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No. I'm not. I'm all for Clear. I think it's a great idea. Just get your own lane. If you are going to offer a product, then be full service. Stop sponging off the line that's already there. It's not complicated.