Israel starts process to legalize its 68 West Bank outposts

hoopla

11:29a, 4/25/24

The head of the Yesha organization, Shlomo Neeman, described the step as a "strategic process" for long-established outposts set up "at the bidding" of the state.

"This is important progress on the way to righting the injustice for thousands of residents who have been living in these settlements for years without proper infrastructure," said Neeman.

"Especially these days, this is an important answer to those who don't want to see us here," he added, thanking Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Smotrich "for leading the process."

Smotrich said pushing to start legalization process for 68 illegal West Bank outposts https://t.co/KkDLfomQ3j
— The Times of Israel (@TimesofIsrael) April 20, 2024

UTExan

12:28p, 4/25/24

This is a dumb move policy wise. If Israeli courts are to establish credibility they must uphold rule of law in property taking, which they have not done.

It is better to light a flamethrower than to curse the darkness- Sir Terence Pratchett
“ III stooges si viveret et nos omnes ad quos etiam probabile est mittent custard pies”

nortex97

12:30p, 4/25/24

In reply to hoopla

Good for them.

WolfCall

4:32p, 4/25/24

In reply to UTExan

UTExan said:
This is a dumb move policy wise. If Israeli courts are to establish credibility they must uphold rule of law in property taking, which they have not done.

Why is it Israel and conservatives in the U.S. always have to stick with the rule of law and Hamas (and others of their ilk) and Democrats/Leftists don't have to abide by the rule of law?

MemphisAg1

4:42p, 4/25/24

In reply to UTExan

UTExan said:
This is a dumb move policy wise. If Israeli courts are to establish credibility they must uphold rule of law in property taking, which they have not done.

How is it different from US states granting ownership to settlers on land that native Americans claimed?

samurai_science

5:30p, 4/25/24

In reply to UTExan

UTExan said:
This is a dumb move policy wise. If Israeli courts are to establish credibility they must uphold rule of law in property taking, which they have not done.

They are making the law, so its actually a smart move.

Sharpshooter

5:31p, 4/25/24

Israel should colonize all of the Gaza, repatriate remaining Palestinians to the West Bank, and advise them of a similar move on the West Bank, should Oct 7 happen again.

BonfireNerd04

5:34p, 4/25/24

In reply to MemphisAg1

MemphisAg1 said:
UTExan said:
This is a dumb move policy wise. If Israeli courts are to establish credibility they must uphold rule of law in property taking, which they have not done.

How is it different from US states granting ownership to settlers on land that native Americans claimed?

Or Poland granting ownership to "settlers" on land that was formerly part of Germany.

Losing wars has consequences.

Kraft Punk

6:23p, 4/25/24

From the river to the sea, terrorist Palestine is a memory

Hopefully the Israelis delete a whole lotta terrorist trash along the way

UTExan

6:27p, 4/25/24

In reply to MemphisAg1

Because those Palestinians have actual land tenancy there. Villages and fields used for centuries, for instance. Some of these "settlers" are so extreme they take over houses and throw out the owners. In the US we would see that as home invasion and act accordingly.
Come to think of it, Nazis did this to Jews during the Holocaust.

It is better to light a flamethrower than to curse the darkness- Sir Terence Pratchett
“ III stooges si viveret et nos omnes ad quos etiam probabile est mittent custard pies”

Maroon Dawn

6:39p, 4/25/24

Don't start a war if you don't want to lose land on defeat

El Hombre Mas Guapo

6:48p, 4/25/24

In reply to UTExan

UTExan said:
Because those Palestinians have actual land tenancy there. Villages and fields used for centuries, for instance. Some of these "settlers" are so extreme they take over houses and throw out the owners. In the US we would see that as home invasion and act accordingly.
Come to think of it, Nazis did this to Jews during the Holocaust.

Stop. You didn't just say that.

You just get released from jail after getting arrested with your other infada t-sip pals?

RebelE Infantry

6:51p, 4/25/24

In reply to hoopla

hoopla said:

The head of the Yesha organization, Shlomo Neeman, described the step as a "strategic process" for long-established outposts set up "at the bidding" of the state.

"This is important progress on the way to righting the injustice for thousands of residents who have been living in these settlements for years without proper infrastructure," said Neeman.

"Especially these days, this is an important answer to those who don't want to see us here," he added, thanking Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Smotrich "for leading the process."

Smotrich said pushing to start legalization process for 68 illegal West Bank outposts https://t.co/KkDLfomQ3j
— The Times of Israel (@TimesofIsrael) April 20, 2024

And yet they are constantly perplexed as to why the Arabs want to kill them all the time.

The flames of the Imperium burn brightly in the hearts of men repulsed by degenerate modernity. Souls aflame with love of goodness, truth, beauty, justice, and order.

Thunderstruck xx

7:02p, 4/25/24

In reply to UTExan

UTExan said:
This is a dumb move policy wise. If Israeli courts are to establish credibility they must uphold rule of law in property taking, which they have not done.

UTExan

7:02p, 4/25/24

In reply to El Hombre Mas Guapo

El Hombre Mas Guapo said:
UTExan said:
Because those Palestinians have actual land tenancy there. Villages and fields used for centuries, for instance. Some of these "settlers" are so extreme they take over houses and throw out the owners. In the US we would see that as home invasion and act accordingly.
Come to think of it, Nazis did this to Jews during the Holocaust.

Stop. You didn't just say that.

You just get released from jail after getting arrested with your other infada t-sip pals?

I actually believe in rule of law and property rights. Who on this forum does not?

It is better to light a flamethrower than to curse the darkness- Sir Terence Pratchett
“ III stooges si viveret et nos omnes ad quos etiam probabile est mittent custard pies”

PA24

7:08p, 4/25/24

TO the victor goes the spoils, been that way since forever...

Maroon Dawn

7:15p, 4/25/24

In reply to UTExan

UTExan said:
El Hombre Mas Guapo said:
UTExan said:
Because those Palestinians have actual land tenancy there. Villages and fields used for centuries, for instance. Some of these "settlers" are so extreme they take over houses and throw out the owners. In the US we would see that as home invasion and act accordingly.
Come to think of it, Nazis did this to Jews during the Holocaust.

Stop. You didn't just say that.

You just get released from jail after getting arrested with your other infada t-sip pals?

I actually believe in rule of law and property rights. Who on this forum does not?

Well let's start with everyone supporting Hamas. I realize this is awkward for you

RebelE Infantry

7:23p, 4/25/24

In reply to UTExan

UTExan said:
Because those Palestinians have actual land tenancy there. Villages and fields used for centuries, for instance. Some of these "settlers" are so extreme they take over houses and throw out the owners. In the US we would see that as home invasion and act accordingly.
Come to think of it, Nazis did this to Jews during the Holocaust.

Interestingly, this is the crux of how this whole conflict blew up a century ago. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

The flames of the Imperium burn brightly in the hearts of men repulsed by degenerate modernity. Souls aflame with love of goodness, truth, beauty, justice, and order.

RebelE Infantry

7:24p, 4/25/24

In reply to Maroon Dawn

Maroon Dawn said:
UTExan said:
El Hombre Mas Guapo said:
UTExan said:
Because those Palestinians have actual land tenancy there. Villages and fields used for centuries, for instance. Some of these "settlers" are so extreme they take over houses and throw out the owners. In the US we would see that as home invasion and act accordingly.
Come to think of it, Nazis did this to Jews during the Holocaust.

Stop. You didn't just say that.

You just get released from jail after getting arrested with your other infada t-sip pals?

I actually believe in rule of law and property rights. Who on this forum does not?

Well let's start with everyone supporting Hamas. I realize this is awkward for you

What are you even talking about?

The flames of the Imperium burn brightly in the hearts of men repulsed by degenerate modernity. Souls aflame with love of goodness, truth, beauty, justice, and order.

DeProfundis

7:28p, 4/25/24

In reply to PA24

PA24 said:
TO the victor goes the spoils, been that way since forever...

Fantastic. Can't wait to turn it into the Kingdom of Jerusalem again. Matamoros and Matajudios got their name for a reason

Ag_0112358132134

7:33p, 4/25/24

In reply to UTExan

UTExan said:
El Hombre Mas Guapo said:
UTExan said:
Because those Palestinians have actual land tenancy there. Villages and fields used for centuries, for instance. Some of these "settlers" are so extreme they take over houses and throw out the owners. In the US we would see that as home invasion and act accordingly.
Come to think of it, Nazis did this to Jews during the Holocaust.

Stop. You didn't just say that.

You just get released from jail after getting arrested with your other infada t-sip pals?

I actually believe in rule of law and property rights. Who on this forum does not?

Property rights protected by courts are for civilized societies with legitimate governments, not the West Bank. Israel is a civilized society with a legitimate government. It is perfectly acceptable to colonize and incorporate the West Bank, and it's also an appropriate response to an act of war by Hamas.

TexAgs91

7:33p, 4/25/24

In reply to UTExan

UTExan said:
Because those Palestinians have actual land tenancy there. Villages and fields used for centuries, for instance. Some of these "settlers" are so extreme they take over houses and throw out the owners. In the US we would see that as home invasion and act accordingly.
Come to think of it, Nazis did this to Jews during the Holocaust.

Was that after the Jews raped and pillaged the Nazis and cut Nazi babies heads off?

No. Think it through.

I identify as Ultra-MAGA

BonfireNerd04

7:34p, 4/25/24

In reply to UTExan

UTExan said:
El Hombre Mas Guapo said:
UTExan said:
Because those Palestinians have actual land tenancy there. Villages and fields used for centuries, for instance. Some of these "settlers" are so extreme they take over houses and throw out the owners. In the US we would see that as home invasion and act accordingly.
Come to think of it, Nazis did this to Jews during the Holocaust.

Stop. You didn't just say that.

You just get released from jail after getting arrested with your other infada t-sip pals?

I actually believe in rule of law and property rights. Who on this forum does not?

Does that include the property rights of Jews who owned land in the "West Bank" before 1948, were kicked out by the Jordanian occupiers, and returned 19 years later to find Palestinian squatters on their property?

Kaa98

7:36p, 4/25/24

In reply to Kraft Punk

Kraft Punk said:
From the river to the sea, terrorist Palestine is a memory

RebelE Infantry

7:37p, 4/25/24

In reply to Ag_0112358132134

Ag_0112358132134 said:
UTExan said:
El Hombre Mas Guapo said:
UTExan said:
Because those Palestinians have actual land tenancy there. Villages and fields used for centuries, for instance. Some of these "settlers" are so extreme they take over houses and throw out the owners. In the US we would see that as home invasion and act accordingly.
Come to think of it, Nazis did this to Jews during the Holocaust.

Stop. You didn't just say that.

You just get released from jail after getting arrested with your other infada t-sip pals?

I actually believe in rule of law and property rights. Who on this forum does not?

Property rights protected by courts are for civilized societies with legitimate governments, not the West Bank. Israel is a civilized society with a legitimate government. It is perfectly acceptable to colonize and incorporate the West Bank, and it's also an appropriate response to an act of war by Hamas.

My guy, land theft and literal terrorism is how the nation state of Israel started in the first place.

This has absolutely nothing at all whatsoever to do with 10/7 (except being the exact sort of behavior that started this mess a hundred years ago).

The flames of the Imperium burn brightly in the hearts of men repulsed by degenerate modernity. Souls aflame with love of goodness, truth, beauty, justice, and order.

MemphisAg1

7:40p, 4/25/24

In reply to UTExan

UTExan said:

I actually believe in rule of law and property rights. Who on this forum does not?

So let's explore that point.

Take Texas for example. As far back as my history window goes, it was called Tejas by native Americans and subject to their laws. Then Spain and France, each claimed legitimacy over the territory and the original native American inhabitants. Then the Mexicans took over and settlers laid claim to it under the laws of Mexico. The Texans eventually revolted, gained independence, and ruled over it for a short 8 years before joining the US, who governs to this day.

The point being that ownership changes, usually driven by armed conflict, and the victor sets the rules for the acquired territory. That doesn't make it wrong, and it also doesn't make it right if you were a previous owner, but it does make it final until a new owner comes along and takes it from the current owner. Any legal proceeding under a jurisdiction while it's in control is usually deemed to be valid.

Velvet Jones

7:46p, 4/25/24

Ok, who let the nazis out of their discord channel?

DeProfundis

7:49p, 4/25/24

In reply to Velvet Jones

Velvet Jones said:
Ok, who let the nazis out of their discord channel?

It was adult swim

DeProfundis

7:55p, 4/25/24

From the river to the sea the Holy Land belongs to Christianity

Highway6

7:56p, 4/25/24

In reply to RebelE Infantry

Logos Stick

7:56p, 4/25/24

In reply to UTExan

UTExan said:
El Hombre Mas Guapo said:
UTExan said:
Because those Palestinians have actual land tenancy there. Villages and fields used for centuries, for instance. Some of these "settlers" are so extreme they take over houses and throw out the owners. In the US we would see that as home invasion and act accordingly.
Come to think of it, Nazis did this to Jews during the Holocaust.

Stop. You didn't just say that.

You just get released from jail after getting arrested with your other infada t-sip pals?

I actually believe in rule of law and property rights. Who on this forum does not?

Who was there before the "Palestinians"? Did they evolve there from inorganic matter?

Velvet Jones

8:01p, 4/25/24

There are no palestinians.

The folks in Gaza and the West Bank were thrown out of Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon and Syria, exactly like the amazing national socialist-approved folks being thrown out of Venezuela, Mexico, El Salvador, etc. are today.

DeProfundis

8:06p, 4/25/24

In reply to Velvet Jones

Velvet Jones said:
There are no palestinians.

The folks in Gaza and the West Bank were thrown out of Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon and Syria, exactly like the amazing national socialist-approved folks being thrown out of Venezuela, Mexico, El Salvador, etc. are today.

"South and Central Americans are the Real Nazis" he said, wide-eyed "they hang out on discords and frequent alumni boards" he said nervously scratching his arms….."there could be Nazis here"

RebelE Infantry

8:11p, 4/25/24

In reply to Velvet Jones

Velvet Jones said:
Ok, who let the nazis out of their discord channel?

Union mandated smoke break

The flames of the Imperium burn brightly in the hearts of men repulsed by degenerate modernity. Souls aflame with love of goodness, truth, beauty, justice, and order.

BonfireNerd04

9:56p, 4/25/24

In reply to Kraft Punk

Kraft Punk said:
From the river to the sea, terrorist Palestine is a memory

Hopefully the Israelis delete a whole lotta terrorist trash along the way

From the Jordan to the Med, Palestine will be dead!