Potential increase to 32+ baseball scholarships

Panama Red

9:27p, 5/3/24

As part of the NIL settlement that will bring revenue sharing, there is something that all should agree is great.

More baseball scholarships, so every player could have a full ride.

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Further, according to a report from Yahoo Sports, the settlement would include a plan to implement roster limits for all sports and the expansion of scholarships to those limits. So, in baseball, there would no longer be a limit of 11.7 scholarships per team. Every team would have as many scholarships as there are roster positions. Today, baseball teams are allowed to have 32 players receiving scholarship money and 40 players total on the roster. A roster size of 32 feels more likely in this potential new reality, but it would undoubtably be subject to major debate before it was set.

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The settlement of the House lawsuit still has several hurdles to clear, and nothing is close to being finalized. But if the case does get settled, which is the expectation, and that settlement includes the plan to end equivalency sports, college baseball will be forever changed.

Schools would not be required to offer whatever the new scholarship limit would be, just as some schools today do not offer the full 11.7 scholarships for baseball. But the major powers would have potentially nearly tripled the number of scholarships they could offer. That would likely lead to a further concentration of power in the sport and make competition in those leagues even fiercer. That would probably lead to a push to separate baseball into subdivisions, like football. The downstream effects would be massive.

NEWS: NCAA Considering Lifting Scholarship Limit As Part Of Lawsuit Settlement Talks

"So, in baseball, there would no longer be a limit of 11.7 scholarships per team. Every team would have as many scholarships as there are roster positions." https://t.co/vtaUAOj6PT
— Baseball America (@BaseballAmerica) May 3, 2024

greg.w.h

9:36p, 5/3/24

Not surprised. The NCAA dug a collusion hole almost to China then buried its collective head in it.

And that included ignoring a 9-0 decision that was based on anti-competitive behavior limited to JUST educational benefits. Then they restricted athlete efforts to obtain NIL deals…

The number to settle was $2.6 billion and the NCAA was still trying to limit civil liability of the members who voted on "legislation."

I do not believe they will succeed in bringing NIL in house at the member institutions without US Congress getting involved. And let's just say right now isn't politically expedient for at least half of Congress to pick a new fight with their primary supporters…

F4GIB71

9:52p, 5/3/24

I'd love to see this. A buddy's son played four years for UH and only got 1/3 of a scholarship his senior year.

F4GIB71

Cen-Tex

10:10p, 5/3/24

Why not? Everyone gets a trophy nowadays. Schools will probably make up the cost thru ticket and concession prices.

The Marksman

10:11p, 5/3/24

The right thing to do for all those players that give it their all

Gap

10:29p, 5/3/24

Average cost of a scholarship is $54,700. So 20 additional scholarships is about $1.1M per year over $11M for a 10 year period.

Where does the $ come from? Does it come out of potential NIL, potential facilities, cutting sports with substantial losses, etc.?

What does a model that increases funding and scholarships for sports with higher demand like baseball mean regarding Title IX?? Do we then need to add a ladies sports to get back into equilibrium on scholarship numbers or do we cut a male sport to make up the difference?

91AggieLawyer

11:35p, 5/3/24

In reply to Gap

Gap said:
Average cost of a scholarship is $54,700. So 20 additional scholarships is about $1.1M per year over $11M for a 10 year period.

Where does the $ come from? Does it come out of potential NIL, potential facilities, cutting sports with substantial losses, etc.?

What does a model that increases funding and scholarships for sports with higher demand like baseball mean regarding Title IX?? Do we then need to add a ladies sports to get back into equilibrium on scholarship numbers or do we cut a male sport to make up the difference?

Its time we litigate Title IX back to the LAW and not Carter era REGULATIONS, which is what lower court opinions have been based on all these years. The LAW doesn't require 1:1 scholarships. It would be one thing if the school was cutting women's basketball and softball to have other men's sports, but what's been going on for decades is the proliferation of relatively minor women's sports that schools have a very hard time finding players for.

I don't want to make this political (hard not to on this subject) but now we have the whole gender mess and a lot of the same people who screamed Title 9 back in the day are now in no way supporters of WOMEN'S sports since they don't give a damn about who's actually playing the game (e.g. biological men who've transitioned or whatever). Many/most of these folks had an agenda to get rid of football in the first place. (14 schools have cut football since 2000).

Congress isn't going to touch the issue. In spite of those that don't care much for WATCHING women's sports, few of us have any issue with the actual real sports on campus: basketball, soccer, tennis, softball, and even gymnastics and the like. Its where you get in to stupid stuff like artistic swimming (no, I'm not kidding), fencing, field hockey AND Lacrosse (pick one), TWO forms of rowing, sailing, and squash as VARSITY sports. Obviously, not every school has all these, but not every school can support a varsity team in some other sports like water polo or beach volleyball.

Panama Red

8:25a, 5/4/24

The Title IX issue is why most schools probably won't increase scholarships to the full roster (if this goes through). However, SEC schools will and likely do the same with softball.

Also, this is one bizarre take:

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Everyone gets a trophy nowadays.

greg.w.h

8:38a, 5/4/24

In reply to 91AggieLawyer

91AggieLawyer said:
Gap said:
Average cost of a scholarship is $54,700. So 20 additional scholarships is about $1.1M per year over $11M for a 10 year period.

Where does the $ come from? Does it come out of potential NIL, potential facilities, cutting sports with substantial losses, etc.?

What does a model that increases funding and scholarships for sports with higher demand like baseball mean regarding Title IX?? Do we then need to add a ladies sports to get back into equilibrium on scholarship numbers or do we cut a male sport to make up the difference?

Its time we litigate Title IX back to the LAW and not Carter era REGULATIONS, which is what lower court opinions have been based on all these years. The LAW doesn't require 1:1 scholarships. It would be one thing if the school was cutting women's basketball and softball to have other men's sports, but what's been going on for decades is the proliferation of relatively minor women's sports that schools have a very hard time finding players for.

I don't want to make this political (hard not to on this subject) but now we have the whole gender mess and a lot of the same people who screamed Title 9 back in the day are now in no way supporters of WOMEN'S sports since they don't give a damn about who's actually playing the game (e.g. biological men who've transitioned or whatever). Many/most of these folks had an agenda to get rid of football in the first place. (14 schools have cut football since 2000).

Congress isn't going to touch the issue. In spite of those that don't care much for WATCHING women's sports, few of us have any issue with the actual real sports on campus: basketball, soccer, tennis, softball, and even gymnastics and the like. Its where you get in to stupid stuff like artistic swimming (no, I'm not kidding), fencing, field hockey AND Lacrosse (pick one), TWO forms of rowing, sailing, and squash as VARSITY sports. Obviously, not every school has all these, but not every school can support a varsity team in some other sports like water polo or beach volleyball.

At this point it requires votes to reform the interpretation of the law. The theee Democrat-appointed female justices are unlikely to hotw to change it. Amy Coney Barrett probably won't vote to change it. Roberts won't. Gorsuch likely won't.

That leaves Congress and the Lresident to agree on reforming it. That can't happen until a Republican majority rift exists in both houses and there is enough political oomph to get a change to the law through.

But as Gap pointed out there are plenty of ways to adjust. Once is cut off capital spending with the new baseball upgrades. Just claiming to make more money is how we got in this entire mess in the first place. Maybe bringing in less is the solution going forward.

trouble

8:43a, 5/4/24

In reply to Cen-Tex

Cen-Tex said:
Why not? Everyone gets a trophy nowadays. Schools will probably make up the cost thru ticket and concession prices.

How is giving scholarships to student athletes giving everyone a trophy? Are you saying that baseball players somehow aren't earning a scholarship?

MaroonStain

8:47a, 5/4/24

In reply to Cen-Tex

Cen-Tex said:
Why not? Everyone gets a trophy nowadays. Schools will probably make up the cost thru ticket and concession prices.

So silly... A baseball player with a 50 game schedule gets less than a football player on a 12 game schedule. Yeah, that makes sense.

LOYAL AG

8:26p, 5/4/24

This will be a net negative for the sport. About 12 schools make money in baseball. I'd guess we see 100 schools drop the sport immediately. It's one thing to offer 5-7 partials in a sport where everyone is offering at most 11.7 partials but now you're offering 5 -7 full rides while other schools have 32 full rides. This creates a world where teams are mostly walk on players and obviously thats bad.

A fearful society is a compliant society. That's why Democrats and criminals prefer their victims to be unarmed. Gun Control is not about guns, it's about control.

LOYAL AG

8:29p, 5/4/24

In reply to MaroonStain

MaroonStain said:
Cen-Tex said:
Why not? Everyone gets a trophy nowadays. Schools will probably make up the cost thru ticket and concession prices.

So silly... A baseball player with a 50 game schedule gets less than a football player on a 12 game schedule. Yeah, that makes sense.

At nearly every schools football is paying for those baseball players. That matters because we've reached the point where only money matters. Today we have 10,000 players on partial scholarships. Tomorrow we'll have 2000 on full ride. That sport is about to get a lot smaller.

A fearful society is a compliant society. That's why Democrats and criminals prefer their victims to be unarmed. Gun Control is not about guns, it's about control.

Capitol Ag

8:51p, 5/4/24

In reply to 91AggieLawyer

91AggieLawyer said:
Gap said:
Average cost of a scholarship is $54,700. So 20 additional scholarships is about $1.1M per year over $11M for a 10 year period.

Where does the $ come from? Does it come out of potential NIL, potential facilities, cutting sports with substantial losses, etc.?

What does a model that increases funding and scholarships for sports with higher demand like baseball mean regarding Title IX?? Do we then need to add a ladies sports to get back into equilibrium on scholarship numbers or do we cut a male sport to make up the difference?

Its time we litigate Title IX back to the LAW and not Carter era REGULATIONS, which is what lower court opinions have been based on all these years. The LAW doesn't require 1:1 scholarships. It would be one thing if the school was cutting women's basketball and softball to have other men's sports, but what's been going on for decades is the proliferation of relatively minor women's sports that schools have a very hard time finding players for.

I don't want to make this political (hard not to on this subject) but now we have the whole gender mess and a lot of the same people who screamed Title 9 back in the day are now in no way supporters of WOMEN'S sports since they don't give a damn about who's actually playing the game (e.g. biological men who've transitioned or whatever). Many/most of these folks had an agenda to get rid of football in the first place. (14 schools have cut football since 2000).

Congress isn't going to touch the issue. In spite of those that don't care much for WATCHING women's sports, few of us have any issue with the actual real sports on campus: basketball, soccer, tennis, softball, and even gymnastics and the like. Its where you get in to stupid stuff like artistic swimming (no, I'm not kidding), fencing, field hockey AND Lacrosse (pick one), TWO forms of rowing, sailing, and squash as VARSITY sports. Obviously, not every school has all these, but not every school can support a varsity team in some other sports like water polo or beach volleyball.

Interesting. I hadn't realized the difference in the way Title IX was enforced the way it is and that the law isn't necessarily that. So, this could throw a wrench in a lawsuit brought regarding Title IX?

yell_on_6th st

12:09a, 5/5/24

In reply to F4GIB71

F4GIB71 said:
I'd love to see this. A buddy's son played four years for UH and only got 1/3 of a scholarship his senior year.

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