I strongly believe in individual rights. I have been vaccinated but don't believe it's within my employers rights to request medical information unless I voluntarily disclose it.

I also believe employers being given the legal green light for requiring a vaccination status is not only unnecessary since vaccinated people can also spread the virus, but that this will set an employment law precedent moving forward with employers being able to request medical information with the likely result being medical discrimination on a large scale that hurts workers with disabilities.

I've contacted several legal firms that deal with employment law and civil rights but they all want 300-500 just for a consultation to see if they would take my case. And even if they were to take my case I would likely be fired when notifying my employer that I've retained legal counsel and will not comply with their request.

Does anyone else feel this way and do you think it's battle worth fighting? Thanks

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Does anyone else feel this way and do you think it's battle worth fighting? Thanks

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No and no.

You really have no legal fight here. It's been long established employers have a right here.

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I strongly believe in individual rights. I have been vaccinated but don't believe it's within my employers rights to request medical information unless I voluntarily disclose it.

I also believe employers being given the legal green light for requiring a vaccination status is not only unnecessary since vaccinated people can also spread the virus, but that this will set an employment law precedent moving forward with employers being able to request medical information with the likely result being medical discrimination on a large scale that hurts workers with disabilities.

I've contacted several legal firms that deal with employment law and civil rights but they all want 300-500 just for a consultation to see if they would take my case. And even if they were to take my case I would likely be fired when notifying my employer that I've retained legal counsel and will not comply with their request.

Does anyone else feel this way and do you think it's battle worth fighting? Thanks

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100% I think it is worth fighting. I'm not sure if you follow Mike Yoder. He and Harry Mihet, both attorneys, have been actively fighting this, with success.

I would just answer with "I'm Immune".

Your employer is not breaking the law in any way by asking you. They could be breaking the law if they share that info with others or use it to discriminate against you in ways that are prohibited by law (disability or religious discrimination).

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Does anyone else feel this way and do you think it's battle worth fighting? Thanks

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No and no.

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Indeed. Seems like a dumb hill to die on.

In reply to EW2 I was extremely disturbed by your statement: "I will have to ignore my principles on this topic". I would ask you to deeply consider what this statement means to you. I cannot in any way try to move you on your axis, but please consider just exactly what this means on such a deep and personal plane. If, we move away from what we hold sacred in our own soul, what have we sacrificed. Please give this thought and prayer.

In reply to Mark Fairchild Principles are one thing, but when it's a losing battle and you have family, especially when he's already vaccinated, it's not worth the fight.

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Principles are one thing, but when it's a losing battle and you have family, especially when he's already vaccinated, it's not worth the fight.

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How far is too far for you? Honest question. I'm trying to understand.

Get a fake vaccine card and move on.

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Does anyone else feel this way and do you think it's battle worth fighting? Thanks

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No and no.

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Yes and yes

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You really have no legal fight here. It's been long established employers have a right here.

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Do not believe this statement. There is zero precedent for mandating a vaccine via federal government.

ETA: or for an employer to require this type of action from an employee as a condition of employment

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Principles are one thing, but when it's a losing battle and you have family, especially when he's already vaccinated, it's not worth the fight.

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How far is too far for you? Honest question. I'm trying to understand.

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Look, I don't like it. I also get why they are doing it (covering their ass). I think there are many better things related to this to fight where the courts haven't already decided.

Now, if you're part of a union and want to use this to bargain, go for it. I just understand how contracts with employees work and what is going to happen. Fighting what has already been ruled legal isn't the fight worth fighting.

I'll focus on extended use of emergency powers, worthless mask mandates, government overreach, etc.

And I still haven't provided my proof to employer, even though it was requested. But, I likely will at some point because I value my job and know there is no legal recourse.

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Like what? Where would you draw the line and say "This is where I fight back."?

You have the individual right not to tell them, and they have the individual right to fire you.

Also, know that anyone with an Ag tag advising you to fight, has probably gotten and disclosed a required vaccine at one point in their life.

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You have the individual right not to tell them, and they have the individual right to fire you.

Also, know that anyone with an Ag tag advising you to fight, has probably gotten and disclosed a required vaccine at one point in their life.

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I've never had a private employer ask for my vaccine record in over 20 years in the corporate world. Stop trying to normalize this.

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How many global pandemics were there in those 20 years?

Think what you want about mandates, but arguments like this don't help.

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You have the individual right not to tell them, and they have the individual right to fire you.

Also, know that anyone with an Ag tag advising you to fight, has probably gotten and disclosed a required vaccine at one point in their life.

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I've never had a private employer ask for my vaccine record in over 20 years in the corporate world. Stop trying to normalize this.

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How many global pandemics were there in those 20 years?

Think what you want about mandates, but arguments like this don't help.

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The vaccine isn't slowing the spread. No basis for mandates when that is the case. There are countries with 80%+ vaccination rates and have record cases. Also mandates don't factor in natural immunity which is junk science.

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I'm against mandates. I'm just stating that your argument is pretty worthless.

Whether or not mandates make sense is irrelevant to the OP. The courts have been consistent on this regarding individual employer mandates.

In reply to [removed post] Unfortunately, as you know, this stopped being about logic a long time ago. As noted by the fact that CDC cannot produce a single case of an individual getting Covid twice.

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Unfortunately, as you know, this stopped being about logic a long time ago. As noted by the fact that CDC cannot produce a single case of an individual getting Covid twice.

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I'm all about prior infection being as good, and likely better, than the vaccine, but there is proof Omicron is re-infecting people with prior immunity at a much higher rate than any of the previous ones. Now, Omicron is also less dangerous, so it's likely a nothing burger, just worth understanding.

In reply to ChrisTAMU https://www.theweek.co.uk/news/science-health/955157/risk-covid-reinfection-omicron-delta

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Unfortunately, as you know, this stopped being about logic a long time ago. As noted by the fact that CDC cannot produce a single case of an individual getting Covid twice.

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Countries with centralized health care systems can produce those numbers pretty easy. CDC is dependent on the data from the states, and none of that is terribly detailed or consistent.

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Unfortunately, as you know, this stopped being about logic a long time ago. As noted by the fact that CDC cannot produce a single case of an individual getting Covid twice.

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Countries with centralized health care systems can produce those numbers pretty easy. CDC is dependent on the data from the states, and none of that is terribly detailed or consistent.

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Then why are they making overarching decisions for the entire country?

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You are asking why America's Center of Disease Control is the center of controlling diseases in America.

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You have the individual right not to tell them, and they have the individual right to fire you.

Also, know that anyone with an Ag tag advising you to fight, has probably gotten and disclosed a required vaccine at one point in their life.

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I have not gotten the vaccine, nor will I ever for the foreseeable future. I have told my partners as such, and they agree that no such requirement can legally be required, nor did they care based on the science.

This is the hill to die on.

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You have the individual right not to tell them, and they have the individual right to fire you.

Also, know that anyone with an Ag tag advising you to fight, has probably gotten and disclosed a required vaccine at one point in their life.

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I've never had a private employer ask for my vaccine record in over 20 years in the corporate world. Stop trying to normalize this.

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How many global pandemics were there in those 20 years?

Think what you want about mandates, but arguments like this don't help.

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According to your overlords, at least one:

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/2009-h1n1-pandemic.html

That is based on a simple Google search.