In reply to Thaddeus73
Wow. That's some serious reaching.
10:31a, 1/10/24
and so very true...Theology is hard, isn't it?Quote:
Wow. That's some serious reaching.
11:13a, 1/10/24
In reply to Thaddeus73
...and is so worth it!
Thaddeus73 said:and so very true...Theology is hard, isn't it?Quote:
Wow. That's some serious reaching.
...and is so worth it!
It is difficult to write as if I was in your presence. However, it is a necessary skill. Communication should be full of smiles, respect, and a desire to relate. If you cannot relate to me, and I to you, there is little chance of us positively influencing each other.
12:12p, 1/10/24
In reply to Thaddeus73
It's not. At all. It's forcing Jesus into the Jewish holidays when he and gospels very clearly don't fit.
Thaddeus73 said:and so very true...Theology is hard, isn't it?Quote:
Wow. That's some serious reaching.
It's not. At all. It's forcing Jesus into the Jewish holidays when he and gospels very clearly don't fit.
1:24p, 1/10/24
Can you please be more specific?Quote:
It's not. At all. It's forcing Jesus into the Jewish holidays when he and gospels very clearly don't fit.
2:36p, 1/10/24
In reply to Thaddeus73
The fact that your mass uses bread and wine does not mean Jesus somehow fulfills a major Jewish holiday. It's bread and wine. They were everywhere in Judaism and in other Mediterranean religions for that matter. The fact that you can create cross images (which either aren't there or are completely incidental) in Jewish festivals doesn't mean Jesus fulfills the same criteria. The fact that the life of Jesus as presented is semi-based around the Jewish holiday calendar isn't surprising, but that doesn't mean, "oh, Passover, the festival of unleavened bread that is specifically tied to the story of Exodus is now all about Jesus."
The argument really falls apart in the lack of any resemblance of the requirements of the hold days or similarities in the design. Just saying, "oh, Pesach and Shavuot are now in the weekly mass," doesn't work. It's just lazy. Those holidays has specific meanings which taking communion doesn't resemble or fulfill the requirements. Tying Shavuot to Christian Pentecost is both lazy and dumb. Shavuot is a harvest festival and a festival of the giving of Torah. The Tower of Babel doesn't mean a thing to the holiday. Your list doesn't even try for Rosh Hashanah, ignoring that ha'satan is a title in Hebrew, and not a guy in Hell in red pajamas, it just says, "yeah, someday that will be worked out." Rosh Hashanah is a celebration of the new year after creation, it has Jack all to do with the end of the world or Hell (which is nowhere in the Hebrew Bible).
Look, no one is going to argue whether many Christian rituals are built around Jewish rituals, but the theology does not transfer Jewish holidays to Jesus. Doesn't work.
(Should also note that Hanukkah is included in your list, but Hanukkah is a minor festival in line with Purim, not a holiday)
The argument really falls apart in the lack of any resemblance of the requirements of the hold days or similarities in the design. Just saying, "oh, Pesach and Shavuot are now in the weekly mass," doesn't work. It's just lazy. Those holidays has specific meanings which taking communion doesn't resemble or fulfill the requirements. Tying Shavuot to Christian Pentecost is both lazy and dumb. Shavuot is a harvest festival and a festival of the giving of Torah. The Tower of Babel doesn't mean a thing to the holiday. Your list doesn't even try for Rosh Hashanah, ignoring that ha'satan is a title in Hebrew, and not a guy in Hell in red pajamas, it just says, "yeah, someday that will be worked out." Rosh Hashanah is a celebration of the new year after creation, it has Jack all to do with the end of the world or Hell (which is nowhere in the Hebrew Bible).
Look, no one is going to argue whether many Christian rituals are built around Jewish rituals, but the theology does not transfer Jewish holidays to Jesus. Doesn't work.
(Should also note that Hanukkah is included in your list, but Hanukkah is a minor festival in line with Purim, not a holiday)
5:54p, 1/10/24
Exodus 12: 14 "This day shall be for you a memorial day, and you shall keep it as a feast to the Lord; throughout your generations you shall observe it as an ordinance for ever. 15 Seven days you shall eat unleavened bread; on the first day you shall put away leaven out of your houses, for if any one eats what is leavened, from the first day until the seventh day, that person shall be cut off from Israel. 16 On the first day you shall hold a holy assembly, and on the seventh day a holy assembly; no work shall be done on those days; but what every one must eat, that only may be prepared by you. 17 And you shall observe the feast of unleavened bread, for on this very day I brought your hosts out of the land of Egypt: therefore you shall observe this day, throughout your generations, as an ordinance for ever.
Catholics keep this prophecy with the Eucharist - you?
Catholics keep this prophecy with the Eucharist - you?
5:59p, 1/10/24
In reply to Thaddeus73
No you don't. It's funny when you cut off the text:
18 In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month at even, ye shall eat unleavened bread, until the one and twentieth day of the month at even. 19 Seven days shall there be no leaven found in your houses; for whosoever eateth that which is leavened, that soul shall be cut off from the congregation of Israel, whether he be a sojourner, or one that is born in the land. 20 Ye shall eat nothing leavened; in all your habitations shall ye eat unleavened bread.'
18 In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month at even, ye shall eat unleavened bread, until the one and twentieth day of the month at even. 19 Seven days shall there be no leaven found in your houses; for whosoever eateth that which is leavened, that soul shall be cut off from the congregation of Israel, whether he be a sojourner, or one that is born in the land. 20 Ye shall eat nothing leavened; in all your habitations shall ye eat unleavened bread.'
6:49p, 1/14/24
In reply to Thaddeus73
All of this is jibberish. Nothing about your weekly mass matches the requirements of Pesach in the Torah nor is it anything like Pesach as practiced by Jews.
7:34a, 1/15/24
In reply to Thaddeus73
No it isn't. Passover isn't daily. It's a week-long holiday, as described in the Torah, celebrating deliverance from Egypt. Unless you're sweeping up all the chametz in your church on a daily basis, I don't want to hear it.
8:13a, 1/31/24
The Christianized version of Passover completely fulfills Jesus command to "Give us this day OUR DAILY BREAD."
10:21a, 1/31/24
In reply to Thaddeus73
Passover isn't celebrated daily. There's never a requirement to do so.
Thaddeus73 said:
The Christianized version of Passover completely fulfills Jesus command to "Give us this day OUR DAILY BREAD."
Passover isn't celebrated daily. There's never a requirement to do so.
3:58p, 1/31/24
In reply to Thaddeus73
No it isn't. You're making this claim by perverting the nature of the Jewish holiday so it fits where you want to fit it. You're appropriating the holiday without actually understanding it.Thaddeus73 said:
No, but when you combine it with the daily bread of the manna, it now is...
6:10p, 1/31/24
The institution of the Eucharist was done at a Passover meal....Daily bread from heaven WAS the Manna...
Now, the Eucharist combines both.
Now, the Eucharist combines both.
7:52p, 1/31/24
In reply to Thaddeus73
So? That doesn't mean your Eucharist has anything to do with what Passover is designed to celebrate or reflect the requirements laid out for celebration. Manna is not tied to Passover and is not bread. It is tied to Lag BaOmer.
Thaddeus73 said:
The institution of the Eucharist was done at a Passover meal....Daily bread from heaven WAS the Manna...
Now, the Eucharist combines both.
So? That doesn't mean your Eucharist has anything to do with what Passover is designed to celebrate or reflect the requirements laid out for celebration. Manna is not tied to Passover and is not bread. It is tied to Lag BaOmer.
6:35p, 2/1/24
No, but the Catholic Eucharist ties the Passover Meal, the DAILY bread (manna from heaven), the multiplication of the loaves, and the Jewish Todah (Thanksgiving) sacrifice all together. It's what the martyrs in the coliseum believed in the early days of Christianity, and it's what we still believe today...