In reply to agent-maroon
Zero doubt they have a ton of 'influence' within the US Environmental Protection Agency.
6:43p, 5/2/24
The Used EV Timebomb
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Our investigation found that many EVs could become almost impossible to resell because of their limited battery life.
Experts said that the average EV battery guarantee lasts just eight years. After this time, the battery may lose power more quickly and so reduce mileage between charges.
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6:49p, 5/2/24
In reply to ShinerAggie
/resident EV pumpers
Those things will last 25 years, half a million miles. Nothing to worry about.ShinerAggie said:
The Used EV TimebombQuote:
Our investigation found that many EVs could become almost impossible to resell because of their limited battery life.
Experts said that the average EV battery guarantee lasts just eight years. After this time, the battery may lose power more quickly and so reduce mileage between charges.
/resident EV pumpers
Buy a man eat fish, he day, teach fish man, to a lifetime.
- Joe Biden
I think that, to be very honest with you, I do believe that we should have rightly believed, but we certainly believe that certain issues are just settled.
- Kamala Harris
- Joe Biden
I think that, to be very honest with you, I do believe that we should have rightly believed, but we certainly believe that certain issues are just settled.
- Kamala Harris
7:01p, 5/2/24
In reply to ShinerAggie
Why do people worry so much about an EV battery warranty but not the warranty on their engine, transmission, etc? The battery doesn't just turn into dust 8 years and 1 days after you purchase it.ShinerAggie said:
The Used EV TimebombQuote:
Our investigation found that many EVs could become almost impossible to resell because of their limited battery life.
Experts said that the average EV battery guarantee lasts just eight years. After this time, the battery may lose power more quickly and so reduce mileage between charges.
8:36p, 5/2/24
In reply to MaxPower
Maybe because they're so darn expensive.MaxPower said:Why do people worry so much about an EV battery warranty but not the warranty on their engine, transmission, etc? The battery doesn't just turn into dust 8 years and 1 days after you purchase it.ShinerAggie said:
The Used EV TimebombQuote:
Our investigation found that many EVs could become almost impossible to resell because of their limited battery life.
Experts said that the average EV battery guarantee lasts just eight years. After this time, the battery may lose power more quickly and so reduce mileage between charges.
Buy a man eat fish, he day, teach fish man, to a lifetime.
- Joe Biden
I think that, to be very honest with you, I do believe that we should have rightly believed, but we certainly believe that certain issues are just settled.
- Kamala Harris
- Joe Biden
I think that, to be very honest with you, I do believe that we should have rightly believed, but we certainly believe that certain issues are just settled.
- Kamala Harris
8:37p, 5/2/24
In reply to MaxPower
Maybe because you can repair an engine or transmission, but you pretty much have to replace a battery when it fails?
Assuming you even have the option of replacing it, of course
Assuming you even have the option of replacing it, of course
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11:34p, 5/2/24
Why do people care so much how others spend their money? If they want to waste their money, then let them. If the battery dies after 100K miles and they have to spend 40K for a new battery, let them.
Why do you care so much what people buy or do with their money. I worked hard for my money so not sure why some would care so much as to tell me that I made a mistake.
I bought a 80K boat, worse investment money pit I ever made. But I like it even if I only use it 5-10 hrs a year. Is there a thread on why you will never buy a boat?
Why do you care so much what people buy or do with their money. I worked hard for my money so not sure why some would care so much as to tell me that I made a mistake.
I bought a 80K boat, worse investment money pit I ever made. But I like it even if I only use it 5-10 hrs a year. Is there a thread on why you will never buy a boat?
11:43p, 5/2/24
In reply to Medaggie
Try the outdoors board. A lot of posts about never doing X again when it comes to buying expensive items for no reason other than some type of male pride.Quote:
I bought a 80K boat, worse investment money pit I ever made. But I like it even if I only use it 5-10 hrs a year. Is there a thread on why you will never buy a boat?
3:47a, 5/3/24
In reply to Medaggie
Is the government trying to force everyone to buy boats by hamstringing the non-boat industry every chance they get?
6:46a, 5/3/24
In reply to coolerguy12
Excellent point. EV fans are so blinded by optimism, they simply can't understand why everybody doesn't want one.coolerguy12 said:
Is the government trying to force everyone to buy boats by hamstringing the non-boat industry every chance they get?
Buy a man eat fish, he day, teach fish man, to a lifetime.
- Joe Biden
I think that, to be very honest with you, I do believe that we should have rightly believed, but we certainly believe that certain issues are just settled.
- Kamala Harris
- Joe Biden
I think that, to be very honest with you, I do believe that we should have rightly believed, but we certainly believe that certain issues are just settled.
- Kamala Harris
7:20a, 5/3/24
In reply to coolerguy12
If the government did hamstring the non-boat industry would you refuse to buy a boat just to stick it to the government? You can disagree with what the government does and still like the product. I think most of the regulations they're doing on ICE vehicles are stupid.
8:29a, 5/3/24
In reply to MaxPower
It depends, can my government mandated boat get me and my family and my 5,000# travel trailer to Arkansas or Colorado, then come home and hook up to my 20' trailer with a 5,500# tractor on it and pull it to my buddy's church camp to help him with some dirt work and building burn piles? When we're done with that we might go get a few pallets of concrete to pour a few slabs in my barn, might need 5 minutes at the gas station to get ready for that trip.
But to answer your question bluntly, Yes, generally if the government is trying to coerce me to do something my knee jerk reaction is to do the opposite. It's worked well for me so far.
EV's have a place, I'm sure they are fun to drive (although lately the latest rage is people bragging about how they don't have to drive them). Those of us that don't have room in our family budget for an extra $40,000 car are going to stick with the vehicle that checks all the boxes we need checked for the life we want to live.
But to answer your question bluntly, Yes, generally if the government is trying to coerce me to do something my knee jerk reaction is to do the opposite. It's worked well for me so far.
EV's have a place, I'm sure they are fun to drive (although lately the latest rage is people bragging about how they don't have to drive them). Those of us that don't have room in our family budget for an extra $40,000 car are going to stick with the vehicle that checks all the boxes we need checked for the life we want to live.
8:34a, 5/3/24
In reply to MaxPower
Most EV proponents have no problem with the latter and simply can't understand why someone would rather have an ICE vehicle, so they're fine with the regulations. Most of them are also climate cultists that truly believe buying an EV is going to have an impact on global temperature. Leftwing propaganda and weak minded liberals are eliminating the vehicle choices that most Americans desire in place of vehicles with range limitations, worse depreciation, and their own slew of environmental issues. Of course the real motivations are enriching Democrat donors and empowering government regulators. I'm not saying that's the case with the EV proponents in this thread, but it's what I've observed from discussion outside of Texags.
I don't care if people buy EVs and if there is a market they should be available like anything else. On the other hand if I want to buy a Hellcat Challenger and Stellantis is willing to sell me one, that should be allowed without Stellantis being fined into a losing position.MaxPower said:
If the government did hamstring the non-boat industry would you refuse to buy a boat just to stick it to the government? You can disagree with what the government does and still like the product. I think most of the regulations they're doing on ICE vehicles are stupid.
Most EV proponents have no problem with the latter and simply can't understand why someone would rather have an ICE vehicle, so they're fine with the regulations. Most of them are also climate cultists that truly believe buying an EV is going to have an impact on global temperature. Leftwing propaganda and weak minded liberals are eliminating the vehicle choices that most Americans desire in place of vehicles with range limitations, worse depreciation, and their own slew of environmental issues. Of course the real motivations are enriching Democrat donors and empowering government regulators. I'm not saying that's the case with the EV proponents in this thread, but it's what I've observed from discussion outside of Texags.
12:53p, 5/3/24
In reply to Medaggie
BTW, you didn't follow the 3F rule: If it flies, floats, or ****s, it's cheaper to rent it.
Is there a government somewhere that is working to mandate that people buy a boat?Medaggie said:
Why do people care so much how others spend their money? If they want to waste their money, then let them. If the battery dies after 100K miles and they have to spend 40K for a new battery, let them.
Why do you care so much what people buy or do with their money. I worked hard for my money so not sure why some would care so much as to tell me that I made a mistake.
I bought a 80K boat, worse investment money pit I ever made. But I like it even if I only use it 5-10 hrs a year. Is there a thread on why you will never buy a boat?
BTW, you didn't follow the 3F rule: If it flies, floats, or ****s, it's cheaper to rent it.
2:30p, 5/3/24
In reply to Ag with kids
if there's an EV that does all three of those, I'm buying oneAg with kids said:
the 3F rule: If it flies, floats, or ****s, it's cheaper to rent it.
3:12p, 5/3/24
In reply to oh no
The Aptera looks like a wingless experimental aircraft if that counts.
8:32p, 5/3/24
Wife brought our family into the EV club today with a dual motor Model 3. This car is pretty bad ass and hard to not love it.. I doubt there's anything more fun to drive at this price point. I do my part to offset her lack of emissions by driving a lifted Ram that gets 14mpg
8:36p, 5/3/24
In reply to FIDO*98*
Welcome to the club. We also have a Tesla plus a diesel truck. Torque is fun isn't it?
Until you own a Tesla and really drive one it's hard to know just how much fun they are to drive and own.
Until you own a Tesla and really drive one it's hard to know just how much fun they are to drive and own.
10:21p, 5/3/24
New Model 3 is the best built for the money vehicle Tesla makes. Waiting for the refreshed Model Y likely coming late this year/early next, and hoping it matches/surpasses the Model 3.
300 miles is about to become the floor range for EVs. More energy dense LFP and LMFP batteries going into vehicles over the next year.
300 miles is about to become the floor range for EVs. More energy dense LFP and LMFP batteries going into vehicles over the next year.
BREAKING: Tesla has launched a brand new Long Range RWD Model Y variant in the U.S.
— Sawyer Merritt (@SawyerMerritt) May 4, 2024
• Price: $44,990 ($37,490 including Federal EV credit)
• Range: 320 miles
The previous Model Y RWD with 260 miles of range has been discontinued. pic.twitter.com/n2ZZPw3W4W
10:42p, 5/3/24
In reply to Teslag
It's impossible to smash the gas pedal and not bring a smile to your face. That said my daily is a TLX Type S and I wouldn't trade it for the Tesla. It brings a smile to my face, a ring to my ears, and a gleam to my eyes. The 2024 Model 3 is a big improvement over the previous generation as far as looks go, but ain't going to compete with this any time soon
Teslag said:
Welcome to the club. We also have a Tesla plus a diesel truck. Torque is fun isn't it?
Until you own a Tesla and really drive one it's hard to know just how much fun they are to drive and own.
It's impossible to smash the gas pedal and not bring a smile to your face. That said my daily is a TLX Type S and I wouldn't trade it for the Tesla. It brings a smile to my face, a ring to my ears, and a gleam to my eyes. The 2024 Model 3 is a big improvement over the previous generation as far as looks go, but ain't going to compete with this any time soon
10:49p, 5/3/24
In reply to FIDO*98*
How so? I'm in a similar place looking to replace a Lexus GS-F which is still slower than the model 3
Quote:
but ain't going to compete with this any time soon
How so? I'm in a similar place looking to replace a Lexus GS-F which is still slower than the model 3
10:57p, 5/3/24
In reply to GAC06
If you want pure 0-60 acceleration, you can't beat the EVs. If you want the roar of a performance sports car engine, get the ICE. Not as fast but you get the sound a lot of us love. If you really want pure acceleration and can afford it, go for the model S with plaid mode and try wiping the grin off your face as you do 0-60 in 2.0 seconds. I wouldn't pay that much for it but I have driven one and it takes your breath away.
GAC06 said:Quote:
but ain't going to compete with this any time soon
How so? I'm in a similar place looking to replace a Lexus GS-F which is still slower than the model 3
If you want pure 0-60 acceleration, you can't beat the EVs. If you want the roar of a performance sports car engine, get the ICE. Not as fast but you get the sound a lot of us love. If you really want pure acceleration and can afford it, go for the model S with plaid mode and try wiping the grin off your face as you do 0-60 in 2.0 seconds. I wouldn't pay that much for it but I have driven one and it takes your breath away.
11:02p, 5/3/24
In reply to GAC06
If I have to tell you why the TLX looks better than the Model 3, you should definitely go with the Tesla. I llike symphony of sounds the Turbo 6 and Exhaust make as well even if it is a bit slower.
The Tesla App and phone controls definitely clobber any ICE vehicle on the market. She won't have to get into a hot car all summer.
The Tesla App and phone controls definitely clobber any ICE vehicle on the market. She won't have to get into a hot car all summer.
11:09p, 5/3/24
In reply to FIDO*98*
Ah I missed the "as far as looks go". I'm a few beers deep waiting on a flight
11:30p, 5/3/24
In reply to FIDO*98*
There is no doubt a lot of better looking cars than the Tesla's. I know some will flame me for it, but I absolutely love the mid engine Vette's. They look great and the to quote Vivian from Pretty Woman, it corners like it on rails.
FIDO*98* said:
If I have to tell you why the TLX looks better than the Model 3, you should definitely go with the Tesla. I llike symphony of sounds the Turbo 6 and Exhaust make as well even if it is a bit slower.
The Tesla App and phone controls definitely clobber any ICE vehicle on the market. She won't have to get into a hot car all summer.
There is no doubt a lot of better looking cars than the Tesla's. I know some will flame me for it, but I absolutely love the mid engine Vette's. They look great and the to quote Vivian from Pretty Woman, it corners like it on rails.
12:05a, 5/4/24
In reply to GAC06
If you're interested in electric without giving us the luxury you've gotten use to with the Lexus (the Tesla will be a step down in that department), look at BMW i5 or i7. Incredible vehicles and the build quality and ride is going to be much higher than anything Tesla makes at the moment.
GAC06 said:Quote:
but ain't going to compete with this any time soon
How so? I'm in a similar place looking to replace a Lexus GS-F which is still slower than the model 3
If you're interested in electric without giving us the luxury you've gotten use to with the Lexus (the Tesla will be a step down in that department), look at BMW i5 or i7. Incredible vehicles and the build quality and ride is going to be much higher than anything Tesla makes at the moment.
8:32a, 5/4/24
In reply to istillhatecats
For sure, BMW has been making luxury cars decades longer than Tesla.istillhatecats said:GAC06 said:Quote:
but ain't going to compete with this any time soon
How so? I'm in a similar place looking to replace a Lexus GS-F which is still slower than the model 3
If you're interested in electric without giving us the luxury you've gotten use to with the Lexus (the Tesla will be a step down in that department), look at BMW i5 or i7. Incredible vehicles and the build quality and ride is going to be much higher than anything Tesla makes at the moment.
Buy a man eat fish, he day, teach fish man, to a lifetime.
- Joe Biden
I think that, to be very honest with you, I do believe that we should have rightly believed, but we certainly believe that certain issues are just settled.
- Kamala Harris
- Joe Biden
I think that, to be very honest with you, I do believe that we should have rightly believed, but we certainly believe that certain issues are just settled.
- Kamala Harris
10:06a, 5/4/24
In reply to Kansas Kid
Get the Demon 170 and get the best of both worlds...Kansas Kid said:GAC06 said:Quote:
but ain't going to compete with this any time soon
How so? I'm in a similar place looking to replace a Lexus GS-F which is still slower than the model 3
If you want pure 0-60 acceleration, you can't beat the EVs. If you want the roar of a performance sports car engine, get the ICE. Not as fast but you get the sound a lot of us love. If you really want pure acceleration and can afford it, go for the model S with plaid mode and try wiping the grin off your face as you do 0-60 in 2.0 seconds. I wouldn't pay that much for it but I have driven one and it takes your breath away.
6:54p, 5/10/24
My how the turntables.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/tesla-quietly-removes-u-job-195454153.html
Devastating.
Quote:
Tesla is a massive company, employing 140,000 people as of late last year. But over the past month, layoffs have torn through the electric vehicle maker - and now a hiring freeze appears to be in effect in North America.
As of Wednesday, just three positions were listed on Tesla's job board. They're all for jobs to join its manufacturing development program in Texas, California, or Nevada, a seven-week training program that promises the "opportunity to transition into a full-time Production Associate" at a Tesla factory.
That's a far cry from the more than 3,400 postings that were offered across the United States, Mexico, Canada and Puerto Rico as of May 1, according to an archived version of Tesla's career webpage. (Puerto Rico is listed separately despite being a U.S. territory.) The bulk of those positions were in California, Texas, and Nevada, where the company has sprawling "gigafactories." Many of the jobs were still posted on Tesla's website as recently as Tuesday.
On LinkedIn, Tesla advertises 326 jobs. Most are located in China, with a few others in Europe and at least one in the Dominican Republic. Just one, for the manufacturing development program, appears to be located in the U.S.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/tesla-quietly-removes-u-job-195454153.html
Devastating.
Buy a man eat fish, he day, teach fish man, to a lifetime.
- Joe Biden
I think that, to be very honest with you, I do believe that we should have rightly believed, but we certainly believe that certain issues are just settled.
- Kamala Harris
- Joe Biden
I think that, to be very honest with you, I do believe that we should have rightly believed, but we certainly believe that certain issues are just settled.
- Kamala Harris
7:03p, 5/10/24
In reply to Teslag
The first car company to ever have layoffs or shift some jobs out of the US. Clearly a sign that they are going the way of the Dodo bird.
Teslag said:
Is anyone here looking for a job or is this an EV thread?
The first car company to ever have layoffs or shift some jobs out of the US. Clearly a sign that they are going the way of the Dodo bird.
8:18p, 5/10/24
In reply to Kansas Kid
I'm thinking more along the lines of rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic while the band keeps playing.Kansas Kid said:Teslag said:
Is anyone here looking for a job or is this an EV thread?
The first car company to ever have layoffs or shift some jobs out of the US. Clearly a sign that they are going the way of the Dodo bird.
Buy a man eat fish, he day, teach fish man, to a lifetime.
- Joe Biden
I think that, to be very honest with you, I do believe that we should have rightly believed, but we certainly believe that certain issues are just settled.
- Kamala Harris
- Joe Biden
I think that, to be very honest with you, I do believe that we should have rightly believed, but we certainly believe that certain issues are just settled.
- Kamala Harris
8:23p, 5/10/24
In reply to techno-ag
Even though they are financially a lot better off than almost every other car company from a cash and very low liabilities perspective. They could also raise a lot of equity, if needed. I wouldn't touch the stock but anyone that thinks they are going BK is a fool that can't read financials. Will a number of other EV only companies go under, absolutely. Just like most internet companies failed in the last 90s.
techno-ag said:I'm thinking more along the lines of rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic while the band keeps playing.Kansas Kid said:Teslag said:
Is anyone here looking for a job or is this an EV thread?
The first car company to ever have layoffs or shift some jobs out of the US. Clearly a sign that they are going the way of the Dodo bird.
Even though they are financially a lot better off than almost every other car company from a cash and very low liabilities perspective. They could also raise a lot of equity, if needed. I wouldn't touch the stock but anyone that thinks they are going BK is a fool that can't read financials. Will a number of other EV only companies go under, absolutely. Just like most internet companies failed in the last 90s.
10:52a, 5/11/24
Saturday schadenfreude for some of you.
The good news, there is now a Buc-ees in Colorado
The good news, there is now a Buc-ees in Colorado