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Teslag said:

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The forced Ukrainian conscription videos are always fun when you read the comments. Almost every single time it's some old video, from various places around the world, showing something completely different. I remember one of them was a guy "jumping from his balcony to avoid conscription". Turns out it was a guy that had just murdered someone in south america and was trying to escape police.

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Its pretty gross to find humans forced into sacrifice on the front line "fun"

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Luckily, none of these videos show that...

In reply to Ag with kids The Hungarians don't want to participate in sending young men to certain death in the Biden-Nuland war. Weird.

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In reply to Teslag Good luck with that. You know who continues to routinely gum up the conversation with multi tweet posts over on the other Ukraine thread.

Howdy fam. BRICS keep rolling along I see. The two individual parties winning the most in this conflict, by far.

And it was Xi to initiate the hug. Don't want to make a mountain out of a mole hill, but compared to how Xi treats all other global leaders/politicians, this seems big.
Is that what you call a dragonbear hug?😆😎 https://t.co/B6AVfuMPXZ

— SIMPLICIUS Ѱ (@simpatico771) May 17, 2024

Clearly happy to celebrate xidens ongoing proxy misadventure.

In reply to nortex97 Michael initiated the hug with Fredo

Europe is the real party that is the victim of the sanctions regime, paying for escalated energy prices etc:

🇷🇺🇪🇺🇺🇸 “US sanctions their European partners, it’s what they do

And the Europeans swallow it up, once again confirming that they are vassals of America”

pic.twitter.com/4FG7VSrnj6

— Lord Bebo (@MyLordBebo) May 17, 2024

Although, Europe often doesn't take the sanctions particularly 'seriously:'

For Dummies: How to bypass your own sanctions.
👇 https://t.co/L7Vd1ZtaD8

— Velina Tchakarova (@vtchakarova) May 8, 2024

Some Europeans…have noticed though.

Quite extraordinary (and justified) rant by Hungary's foreign minister about sanctions on Russia, calling out the immense hypocrisy that's going on around them, and asking for "rationality" given the sanction regime didn't achieve its goals and hurt the EU more than Russia.

This… pic.twitter.com/35aYxQgSLF

— Arnaud Bertrand (@RnaudBertrand) May 16, 2024

One definition of 'winning': Ukraine is already, again, demographically decimated due to the combination of pre-war demographics, the exodus/fleeing from the conscription of more than half their military age population, and 500K deaths in the war. This, as well as the utter unpopularity of the regime within what is left of Ukraine, is why they won't ever have elections again, even rigged ones.

https://t.co/vhX7CSfpfR
What are Putin's war aims? Cardinal Richelieu explained them to Spengler two years ago: Reduce Ukraine, the way France reduced Pomerania during the 30 Years' War. Attrition is not a means but an end: Kill or drive out the military-age population and make…

— David P. Goldman (@davidpgoldman) May 16, 2024

WTF?

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Putin keeps trying to warn the American Neocons that they are playing with World War III, which will be nuclear. They issued a Notice to Air Missions (NOTAM) that they will be firing missiles in a test just off the coast of northern California coast, thereby alerting pilots of Russian missile launches to LAND / IMPACT in the Oakland Air Route Traffic Control Center ((ARTCC). This will begin tomorrow and continue for 10 days. This is 300 miles offshore in international waters.

What Putin does not get is that our wonderful Neocons care nothing about the country, the people, and certainly not the economy. The Climate Change zealots in the White House agree with them and think reducing the population may be the only way to reach their NET ZERO target for CO2. He keeps warning is this what you really want? They do not back down and want war so bad they can taste it in their sleep.

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Good luck with that. You know who continues to routinely gum up the conversation with multi tweet posts over on the other Ukraine thread.

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Is 'gum up the conversation' a euphemism for 'doesn't celebrate Zelensky/Nuland/Biden in the glorious war of the destruction of Ukraine appropriately like I do?'

Yes, this is 'weird.'

QUESTION: Is it weird that the Biden family's banks filed more than 170 Suspicious Activity Reports (SARs) with authorities but the FBI never bothered to investigate why they kept getting suspicious wires from China, Ukraine, Russia, & Romania? pic.twitter.com/rukB2A52Cv

— @amuse (@amuse) May 17, 2024

If China Joe, the proxy war commander, is on the take from Beijing it all makes sense.

The airspace closure off California doesn't sound like it is military related:

Russian Rocket Booster, Not Military Exercise, Prompts Airspace Warning Off California

Warnings to avoid a “Russian Federation rocket firing impact area” sparked concerns about possible Russian activities near the U.S. mainland.

Story: https://t.co/wEv3BIx4ul

— The War Zone (@thewarzonewire) May 17, 2024

'The real problem with holding presidential elections in Ukraine right now is that Ukrainians might vote to end the war.'

So, we are propping up a totalitarian regime, for 'reasons.'

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There's also a profound dishonesty at work here on the part of the Biden administration and the Zelensky government. For many years, Ukrainian elections pitted the pro-Russian eastern parts of the country against the European-leaning western parts, with the latter constantly accusing Moscow of meddling in the country's elections to keep Ukraine in Russia's orbit. Glance at a map of Ukraine's election results from 2004 or 2010, and it's easy to see the geographical-political divide in the country.

The Russian invasion has now taken many of those voters in the eastern parts of Ukraine out of the electoral equation. So why would Ukraine's current pro-Western leadership want to cancel elections until these pro-Russian areas are able to vote?

At the risk of sounding like a conspiracy theorist, allow me to suggest that maybe the insistence on "all Ukrainians" being able to vote is a cynical ploy to prevent elections from taking place in the near future. Maybe Zelensky knows that Ukrainians, if given the chance, would vote his regime out of office and pursue peace negotiations with Moscow that Zelensky's Western sponsors won't allow.

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More at the link, as they say. All on point.

Meanwhile in Germany:

Seven soldiers of the Ukrainian Armed Forces were expelled from exercises in Germany for wearing Nazi symbols.

"Their training was immediately terminated, and the servicemen were sent back to their homeland," stated in a report by the German Ministry of… pic.twitter.com/8jIdTc6ffo

— Russian Market (@runews) May 16, 2024

In reply to nortex97 Such a deal though.

In reply to nortex97 Unpossible.

I was told that Ukraine was willing to fight to the last man.

The truth is actually that western Ukraine and Eastern Ukraine have two very different allegiances. Western allies more with Europe

Eastern identifies more with Russia and has been a thorn in the side of western Ukraine ever since the US overthrew the Ukrainian government.

If they allowed peace talks then the two would split with the Eastern half willingly joining with Russia again as that is where most of their allegiances, family, and cultural ties lie.

But peace hurts the MIC's bottom line and takes away a money laundering playground.....so no peace.

In reply to Ags4DaWin Ever wonder why or how eastern Ukraine identified more with Russia?

Read about the Holomodor and Soviet repopulation.

In reply to Ags4DaWin

Ags4DaWin said:

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Unpossible.

I was told that Ukraine was willing to fight to the last man.

The truth is actually that western Ukraine and Eastern Ukraine have two very different allegiances. Western allies more with Europe

Eastern identifies more with Russia and has been a thorn in the side of western Ukraine ever since the US overthrew the Ukrainian government.

If they allowed peace talks then the two would split with the Eastern half willingly joining with Russia again as that is where most of their allegiances, family, and cultural ties lie.

But peace hurts the MIC's bottom line and takes away a money laundering playground.....so no peace.

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Most of the "Russian" areas are already under Russia control. They could easily end this today along current lines if they wanted.

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Teslag said:

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Ags4DaWin said:

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Unpossible.

I was told that Ukraine was willing to fight to the last man.

The truth is actually that western Ukraine and Eastern Ukraine have two very different allegiances. Western allies more with Europe

Eastern identifies more with Russia and has been a thorn in the side of western Ukraine ever since the US overthrew the Ukrainian government.

If they allowed peace talks then the two would split with the Eastern half willingly joining with Russia again as that is where most of their allegiances, family, and cultural ties lie.

But peace hurts the MIC's bottom line and takes away a money laundering playground.....so no peace.

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Most of the "Russian" areas are already under Russia control. They could easily end this today along current lines if they wanted.

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Bolded is the important part...

Sure, Russia could end the war, not sure why that trope is being repeated. It might not end the Ukrainian shelling of "Russian occupied" areas (Or terrorist strikes at Crimea) or Belgorod though. Xi Jinping, the real commander of the ongoing conflict on both sides, does not want the war to stop. It is benefitting China and spiking energy prices for Europe. Xiden will do his part and so will Putin on the other side.

Lovely signs Ukraine is winning:

‼️🇺🇦☠️ Intensified mobilization begins in Ukraine from today

Here are the main changes:
▪️ Restriction of driving rights for military service evaders.
▪️ Punishment for evading mobilization: those evading face fines from 17,000 to 25,000 UAH. Failure to pay fines may result in…

— -- GEROMAN -- time will tell - 👀 -- (@GeromanAT) May 18, 2024

Medvedev on the obvious ramifications/intent behind giving the Kiev regime longer range weapons: he's right, obviously.

Medvedev:

“Nevertheless, the somewhat foolish NATO strategists sincerely want almost all of Ukraine to fall under Russian control. This is precisely why they are providing the Banderite authorities with increasingly long-range weapons. President Putin has repeatedly stated that… pic.twitter.com/mn8bp90xky

— Zlatti71 (@Zlatti_71) May 17, 2024

Western/Zelensky values:

🇺🇦 Ukraine keeps destroying churches, cowardly at night so nobody can protest!

In Kyiv, the chapel of the Desyatinny Monastery of the canonical UOC was completely demolished.

Orthodox believers began to come to the demolition site in the morning.

1/ pic.twitter.com/INNTHtdH5O

— Lord Bebo (@MyLordBebo) May 17, 2024

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If this continues, the guaranteed buffer zone will be somewhere on the border with Poland. Or even within Poland itself.

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Oh boy. Medvedev still full of delusion after two years being completely unable to see what Russia is really is today. He still sees Russia as a world power.

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Ever wonder why or how eastern Ukraine identified more with Russia?

Read about the Holomodor and Soviet repopulation.

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While true, it's water under the bridge at this point. The reasoning is irrelevant. If those people now want to be with Russia, then that's what they want. To deter them away from that would mean the west then has to do their own version of re-educating and/or re-populating the region.

A pointless exercise and not worth the resources, time, death and destruction to do it.