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Further, we also know if you have a modicum of historical perspective, that encroaching on Russian states would only provoke what we are seeing now.

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Ukraine isn't and wasn't a "Russian state". It is a sovereign nation which Russia themselves recognized as such.

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You obviously know nothing about the history between Russia and Ukraine. Ukraine has their sovereignty, but they are also the front door to Russian land going back thousands of years. It's NATO that has been expansionist, not Russia. Again, we were inches from nuclear war when Russia dared put missiles in Cuba. If Russia or China put bases in Mexico the US would intervene immediately. Going back to the early 90's it's known that any overtures of Ukraine in NATO would be a bridge too far for Russia....and we pushed anyway, knowing what it would spark. Again, we could have stopped this war within the first few months and actively threatened Ukraine with a threat of being cut off if they entertained signing the accords.

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History prior to independence is irrelevant. Just like the British invasion of America in 1812 was an abomination, so is Russia's invasion of Ukraine today. And we were British colonies for hundreds of years.

Every sovereign nation has the right to ally with however the hell they want. The notion that Russia should have a say in who Ukraine allies with is total BS.

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So history is irrelevant and the Cuban missile crisis was a massive overreaction on our part?

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Unlike Ukraine (and NATO as a whole) today, WE provoked the Cuban missile crisis in the 60s. See my other post.

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We should sell nukes to Ukraine.

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Well they had them in 1992 and we convinced them to give them to Russia in exchange for security guarantees...

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Again, we could have stopped this war within the first few months and actively threatened Ukraine with a threat of being cut off if they entertained signing the accords.

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This simply isn't true. Russia wanted Ukraine to be a part of Russia. They weren't going to agree to anything less. The "NATO hurts Russia's feelings" bit has always been Russia propaganda to justify a pure and simple land grab.

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Further, we also know if you have a modicum of historical perspective, that encroaching on Russian states would only provoke what we are seeing now.

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Ukraine isn't and wasn't a "Russian state". It is a sovereign nation which Russia themselves recognized as such.

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You obviously know nothing about the history between Russia and Ukraine. Ukraine has their sovereignty, but they are also the front door to Russian land going back thousands of years. It's NATO that has been expansionist, not Russia. Again, we were inches from nuclear war when Russia dared put missiles in Cuba. If Russia or China put bases in Mexico the US would intervene immediately. Going back to the early 90's it's known that any overtures of Ukraine in NATO would be a bridge too far for Russia....and we pushed anyway, knowing what it would spark. Again, we could have stopped this war within the first few months and actively threatened Ukraine with a threat of being cut off if they entertained signing the accords.

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History prior to independence is irrelevant. Just like the British invasion of America in 1812 was an abomination, so is Russia's invasion of Ukraine today. And we were British colonies for hundreds of years.

Every sovereign nation has the right to ally with however the hell they want. The notion that Russia should have a say in who Ukraine allies with is total BS.

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So history is irrelevant and the Cuban missile crisis was a massive overreaction on our part?

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Unlike Ukraine (and NATO as a whole) today, WE provoked the Cuban missile crisis in the 60s. See my other post.

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Just as WE provoked this conflict

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Again, we could have stopped this war within the first few months and actively threatened Ukraine with a threat of being cut off if they entertained signing the accords.

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This simply isn't true. Russia wanted Ukraine to be a part of Russia. They weren't going to agree to anything less. The "NATO hurts Russia's feelings" bit has always been Russia propaganda to justify a pure and simple land grab.

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Got your Mother Jones talking points all laid out, I see

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We should sell nukes to Ukraine.

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Well they had them in 1992 and we convinced them to give them to Russia in exchange for security guarantees...

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What security guarantees does the Budapest Memorandum contain that would be applicable to the current conflict in Ukraine?

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Again, we could have stopped this war within the first few months and actively threatened Ukraine with a threat of being cut off if they entertained signing the accords.

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This simply isn't true. Russia wanted Ukraine to be a part of Russia. They weren't going to agree to anything less. The "NATO hurts Russia's feelings" bit has always been Russia propaganda to justify a pure and simple land grab.

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Got your Mother Jones talking points all laid out, I see

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Yes, we all get it. Everyone who disagrees with you is a liberal. Yada yada yada.

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We should sell nukes to Ukraine.

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Well they had them in 1992 and we convinced them to give them to Russia in exchange for security guarantees...

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What security guarantees does the Budapest Memorandum contain that would be applicable to the current conflict in Ukraine?

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None effectively

More than a few people are content with this dragging on and on and on and on.

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Further, we also know if you have a modicum of historical perspective, that encroaching on Russian states would only provoke what we are seeing now.

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Ukraine isn't and wasn't a "Russian state". It is a sovereign nation which Russia themselves recognized as such.

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You obviously know nothing about the history between Russia and Ukraine. Ukraine has their sovereignty, but they are also the front door to Russian land going back thousands of years. It's NATO that has been expansionist, not Russia. Again, we were inches from nuclear war when Russia dared put missiles in Cuba. If Russia or China put bases in Mexico the US would intervene immediately. Going back to the early 90's it's known that any overtures of Ukraine in NATO would be a bridge too far for Russia....and we pushed anyway, knowing what it would spark. Again, we could have stopped this war within the first few months and actively threatened Ukraine with a threat of being cut off if they entertained signing the accords.

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History prior to independence is irrelevant. Just like the British invasion of America in 1812 was an abomination, so is Russia's invasion of Ukraine today. And we were British colonies for hundreds of years.

Every sovereign nation has the right to ally with however the hell they want. The notion that Russia should have a say in who Ukraine allies with is total BS.

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So history is irrelevant and the Cuban missile crisis was a massive overreaction on our part?

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Unlike Ukraine (and NATO as a whole) today, WE provoked the Cuban missile crisis in the 60s. See my other post.

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Just as WE provoked this conflict

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We didn't provoke a damn thing. 100% of this is on Russia.

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Further, we also know if you have a modicum of historical perspective, that encroaching on Russian states would only provoke what we are seeing now.

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Ukraine isn't and wasn't a "Russian state". It is a sovereign nation which Russia themselves recognized as such.

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You obviously know nothing about the history between Russia and Ukraine. Ukraine has their sovereignty, but they are also the front door to Russian land going back thousands of years. It's NATO that has been expansionist, not Russia. Again, we were inches from nuclear war when Russia dared put missiles in Cuba. If Russia or China put bases in Mexico the US would intervene immediately. Going back to the early 90's it's known that any overtures of Ukraine in NATO would be a bridge too far for Russia....and we pushed anyway, knowing what it would spark. Again, we could have stopped this war within the first few months and actively threatened Ukraine with a threat of being cut off if they entertained signing the accords.

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History prior to independence is irrelevant. Just like the British invasion of America in 1812 was an abomination, so is Russia's invasion of Ukraine today. And we were British colonies for hundreds of years.

Every sovereign nation has the right to ally with however the hell they want. The notion that Russia should have a say in who Ukraine allies with is total BS.

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So history is irrelevant and the Cuban missile crisis was a massive overreaction on our part?

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Unlike Ukraine (and NATO as a whole) today, WE provoked the Cuban missile crisis in the 60s. See my other post.

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Just as WE provoked this conflict

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We didn't provoke a damn thing. 100% of this is on Russia.

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No, don't you understand? Russia has to invade sovereign nations because those countries may get a wild hair and join a pact to prevent Russia from invading them.

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We should sell nukes to Ukraine.

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Well they had them in 1992 and we convinced them to give them to Russia in exchange for security guarantees...

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What security guarantees does the Budapest Memorandum contain that would be applicable to the current conflict in Ukraine?

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That was right after we used the UN to create a coalition to push Saddam out of Kuwait. THAT's what it was understood that Ukraine was signing up for. By the book, we were supposed to take this to the UN, but obviously Russia would veto. For us to do that and say "well.. we tried" would be a complete chickensh*t cowardly retreat from our obligation. And would leave yet another ally that we left for dead, which is the dumbest foreign policy move we could pull right now.

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More than a few people are content with this dragging on and on and on and on.

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Namely Putin and other Russians

In reply to Gordo14 I think a lot of people were also hoping Russia would roll Ukraine and they could use it as a campaign issue against Biden for wasting American aid for nothing.

What they didn't count on was Trump and an extremely conservative speaker of the house coming out to support the new aid package in a unified front against Russia.


Some things are bigger than partisan politics and lucky the adults like Trump and Johnson felt the same.

So it turns out Teslag is also not great at art

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— I,Hypocrite (@lporiginalg) April 22, 2024

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Cons:

2) We are in massive national debt. Reagan spend $3B in Afghanistan to push the Soviets out of Afghanistan. That was when the Soviets were still a superpower. That is $7-$12 billion in today dollars (depending if that figure was in 1980's dollars or 1989 dollars). Biden has spent ~$75B so far in Ukraine (in less time) and Russia is a shadow of their former selves. So what gives? Reagan did stuff like only provide stingers in exchange for empty stinger tubes. To ensure that they were actually used in war and not stockpiled. Is Biden just blindly shipping them stuff?

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Very different wars.

Afghanistan started out with the Soviets essentially overthrowing the Afghan government and installing their own people. From there, they slowly got sucked into a war and occupation. They never really invaded like they did in Ukraine. The biggest difference is that the Afghans could realistically resist the Soviets and expect them to leave by bleeding them dry because the Soviets had to fly in men and equipment, were tied down by other strategic security interests, and were not bringing in settlers to effectively colonize Afghanistan, whereas Ukraine is in Russia's backyard and easily accessible by rail, Russia has no worries about any other potential fronts without the Cold War going on, and they WILL bring in a bunch of Russians to Russify Ukraine into being Russian if they can take territory. An insurgency and bleeding the Russians out over a decade isn't an option. Hell, at the height of the Soviet-Afghan war, the Russians had about 120,000 troops in Afghanistan. They've got that many dead, or more, in 2 years fighting in Ukraine. If that hasn't gotten them to leave yet, they're not going to.

The Russians ended up fighting an insurgency in unfavorable terrain in Afghanistan. Stingers were really effective because the Russians needed their helicopters for mobility and air support. Without them, their armor and infantry were engaging in mountain warfare on someone else's home turf. That put them at a huge disadvantage and precluded the typical Europe focused Soviet military doctrine the Russian army was built around. They can use all of that in Ukraine, so now they're on a battlefield that plays to their strengths. The only way to resist them and retake areas is with armor and large formations. Small hit and run attacks or ambushes like the mujahedeen used are much less effective overall because there's nowhere for those fighters to hide. There's no cave systems or mountains that will slow the Russians down or force them into unfavorable positions just to move around. And again, a resistance or insurgency is not really an option in this conflict.

Russia also wasn't as committed. They couldn't move in vast numbers of troops and equipment by rail because, unlike Ukraine, Afghanistan wasn't next door. Russia invaded Ukraine with more than twice the troops they had in Afghanistan at the height of the Soviet-Afghan war and they've sent hundreds of thousands more. Soviet mothers wanted out of Afghanistan and there was eventually a big public pressure to leave because they had 10,000-20,000 dead. They've got ten times those losses in Ukraine, along with tens of billions of dollars in hardware losses, and there's crickets in Russia about leaving. They've lost strategic bombers, fighters, a cruiser, a submarine, half a dozen large landing ships, thousands of armored vehicles, multiple S-300 and S-400 radars and command stations, 9 figure battlefield radar complexes, and spent god knows how much on munitions and fuel, and yet they undeterred. If we had those kinds of losses, the calls to leave would be deafening.

There are controls in place, and it's not like we haven't seen video of a lot of the stuff we've sent being used. It is in Ukraine's best interest to make sure military aid is used on the battlefield and not stolen because they're in an existential crisis, so they're not going to bite the hand that feeds. Are we getting a perfect accounting? Probably not, but even our own military let's stuff go missing and always has. I don't think perfection is a realistic expectation, but I do believe that what we're sending is being used for its intended purpose and not siphoned off.

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Most of us chose our sides long ago and our actions either are fight among ourselves or step away from the conversation. ……,,,,,

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Then there are those of us that agree Ukraine needs assistance but question how it is to be done and how much. Some in NATO have stepped up to the plate, maybe more members of NATO should be held responsible.
Then there is the U.N., how hard have we pressed the U.N. in funding Ukraine, their country was invaded unprovoked.
I wish I had all the answers but I don't and especially the idiot in the White House and those *******s Chuck Schumar and Nancy Pelosi sure as hell don't. My guess is too many fingers in the cookie jar has an enormous effect.

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BlueSmoke
You said, "NATO has been marching east for decades now,".

That's not correct. The truth is the former Soviet block countries are marching west.

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You're still wrong. Those countries petitioned to join the western alliance in order to prevent what is currently happening in Ukraine.
You are interpreting that animation completely wrong either because you are unaware of the facts or are an ideolog ignoring facts.
Even the previous head of Russia agreed there was no agreement that former Soviet states could not join NATO.

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And you obviously know nothing about the history of Russia and Ukraine.

As for joining, NATO is a bloated, anachronistic, self-servicing, expansionist organization that long lost any illusions of protection or deterrence. Nations join, ignore spending requirements, and rely on the US and a few other members to do all their dirty work for them. By joining NATO, they can effectively outsource their military and fall in line with US political interests. We know this. That's the point. Further, we also know if you have a modicum of historical perspective, that encroaching on Russian states would only provoke what we are seeing now. Ukraine was always the reddest of red lines and we've known that. Again, if we wanted to end this, we could have with the Munich accords. But we didn't. We want this war.

As for being scared of Russia - If EU nations were truly terrified of Russia attacking, then why the h*ll are they all dependent on Russian O&G for their very survival?

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Didn't someone warn them of this……AND approve of Johnson's handling? Hmmmmmmmm………

The country is a bunch of shakedown artists, with the leaders essentially running like the mafia?

Pro. Palantir is getting a ton of real world real combat data.

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BlueSmoke
You said, "NATO has been marching east for decades now,".

That's not correct. The truth is the former Soviet block countries are marching west.

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You're still wrong. Those countries petitioned to join the western alliance in order to prevent what is currently happening in Ukraine.
You are interpreting that animation completely wrong either because you are unaware of the facts or are an ideolog ignoring facts.
Even the previous head of Russia agreed there was no agreement that former Soviet states could not join NATO.

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How Moscow has long used the historic Kyivan Rus state to justify expansionism
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• To justify his designs on Ukraine, Russian president Vladimir Putin has repeatedly referred to what Russians call the Kievan Rus. He sees this Orthodox medieval state which centred around the contemporary Ukrainian capital, Kyiv, as the common point of origin for both Ukrainians and Russians.

In ancient times Kyiv was the capital of Russia, so I guess Ukraine should have invaded Russia.

Maybe you aren't as educated as you rethink you are.

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Further, we also know if you have a modicum of historical perspective, that encroaching on Russian states would only provoke what we are seeing now.

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You obviously know nothing about the history between Russia and Ukraine. Ukraine has their sovereignty, but they are also the front door to Russian land going back thousands of years. It's NATO that has been expansionist, not Russia. Again, we were inches from nuclear war when Russia dared put missiles in Cuba. If Russia or China put bases in Mexico the US would intervene immediately. Going back to the early 90's it's known that any overtures of Ukraine in NATO would be a bridge too far for Russia....and we pushed anyway, knowing what it would spark. Again, we could have stopped this war within the first few months and actively threatened Ukraine with a threat of being cut off if they entertained signing the accords. This is a proxy war that we are loving every minute of and have no intentions to try and assuage.

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You do not know the history of Russia nor the Ukraine.
Did NATO Promise Not to Enlarge? Gorbachev Says "No"
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• It is abundantly evident that Russian President Vladimir Putin is no fan of NATO. Indeed, he displays a pronouncedalmost obsessiveantipathy toward the Alliance. He claims that NATO took advantage of Russian weakness after the collapse of the Soviet Union to enlarge to its east, in violation of promises allegedly made to Moscow by Western leaders. But no such promises were madea point now confirmed by someone who was definitely in a position to know: Mikhail Gorbachev, then president of the Soviet Union.

You have been lied to and are blindly regurgitating talking points that are false.

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Who. ****ing. Cares.

Our country is broke and you're super excited about sending unaccountable taxpayer dollars to a corrupt country, that was caught red-handed by our former POTUS who actually asked about their money laundering scheme and was IMPEACHED for it, and once his admin was out of power, more dollars flowed. WOW amazing.

You are a joke.

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You know that virtually zero cents of these dollars actually go to anything helpful, if you exempt kickbacks to our own ****ing corrupt ******bag congress critters, right?

I know you like to play pretend that it actually does anything (stacking russian bodies) other than enrich themselves. But do you really know where the money is going?

Ukraine doesnt need money to fight the "orc army", as you ******s say.

No one 18-35 wants anything to do with this "war" that you seem to get a boner over.

It's all fake. It's all money laundering. Just like your ******ed covid poop you 1000% bought into and the very obvious idiocy around getting an experimental gene "vaccine" for a cold virus.

Trump asked a question about where the money was going and the man was impeached for it.

Look in the mirror to spot the fool.

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Who. ****ing. Cares.

Our country is broke and you're super excited about sending unaccountable taxpayer dollars to a corrupt country, that was caught red-handed by our former POTUS who actually asked about their money laundering scheme and was IMPEACHED for it, and once his admin was out of power, more dollars flowed. WOW amazing.

You are a joke.

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My last sentence still stands.

You are an absolute joke.

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I'm fine with whatever you think. We got the money shut Russia down and I'm glad Johnson and Trump saw through the Russian propaganda and made it happen.

Putin miscalculated our unity and resolve. Time to slaughter them wholesale.

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Who. ****ing. Cares.

Our country is broke and you're super excited about sending unaccountable taxpayer dollars to a corrupt country, that was caught red-handed by our former POTUS who actually asked about their money laundering scheme and was IMPEACHED for it, and once his admin was out of power, more dollars flowed. WOW amazing.

You are a joke.

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My last sentence still stands.

You are an absolute joke.

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I'm fine with whatever you think. We got the money shut Russia down and I'm glad Johnson and Trump saw through the Russian propaganda and made it happen.

Putin miscalculated our unity and resolve. Time to slaughter them wholesale.

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It's cute you think this aid bill is gonna suddenly turn the tide and the UKEs are gonna "slaughter" the Russians.

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Who. ****ing. Cares.

Our country is broke and you're super excited about sending unaccountable taxpayer dollars to a corrupt country, that was caught red-handed by our former POTUS who actually asked about their money laundering scheme and was IMPEACHED for it, and once his admin was out of power, more dollars flowed. WOW amazing.

You are a joke.

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My last sentence still stands.

You are an absolute joke.

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I'm fine with whatever you think. We got the money shut Russia down and I'm glad Johnson and Trump saw through the Russian propaganda and made it happen.

Putin miscalculated our unity and resolve. Time to slaughter them wholesale.

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we dun it. we sav ukran by gib muny

jes like evr other fix we du in werl

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Who. ****ing. Cares.

Our country is broke and you're super excited about sending unaccountable taxpayer dollars to a corrupt country, that was caught red-handed by our former POTUS who actually asked about their money laundering scheme and was IMPEACHED for it, and once his admin was out of power, more dollars flowed. WOW amazing.

You are a joke.

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My last sentence still stands.

You are an absolute joke.

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I'm fine with whatever you think. We got the money shut Russia down and I'm glad Johnson and Trump saw through the Russian propaganda and made it happen.

Putin miscalculated our unity and resolve. Time to slaughter them wholesale.

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It's cute you think this aid bill is gonna suddenly turn the tide and the UKEs are gonna "slaughter" the Russians.

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Turn what tide? Russia has gained a few miles in one tiny area on the front in the past 5 'months.

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Who. ****ing. Cares.

Our country is broke and you're super excited about sending unaccountable taxpayer dollars to a corrupt country, that was caught red-handed by our former POTUS who actually asked about their money laundering scheme and was IMPEACHED for it, and once his admin was out of power, more dollars flowed. WOW amazing.

You are a joke.

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My last sentence still stands.

You are an absolute joke.

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I'm fine with whatever you think. We got the money shut Russia down and I'm glad Johnson and Trump saw through the Russian propaganda and made it happen.

Putin miscalculated our unity and resolve. Time to slaughter them wholesale.

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Unfortunately for you, Ukraine will retake nothing and continue to slowly atrophy. I hope you don't abandon your shtick though, its fun to watch you step on rakes.

In reply to Teslag But if we dont pay them BILLIONS, they will conquer Western Europe, right?

no one believes your horse**** narrative. You are as fake as Joe Biden's "election" of 81M "voters"

Again, you are a joke.

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Who. ****ing. Cares.

Our country is broke and you're super excited about sending unaccountable taxpayer dollars to a corrupt country, that was caught red-handed by our former POTUS who actually asked about their money laundering scheme and was IMPEACHED for it, and once his admin was out of power, more dollars flowed. WOW amazing.

You are a joke.

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My last sentence still stands.

You are an absolute joke.

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I'm fine with whatever you think. We got the money shut Russia down and I'm glad Johnson and Trump saw through the Russian propaganda and made it happen.

Putin miscalculated our unity and resolve. Time to slaughter them wholesale.

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It's cute you think this aid bill is gonna suddenly turn the tide and the UKEs are gonna "slaughter" the Russians.

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Turn what tide? Russia has gained a few miles in one tiny area on the front in the past 5 'months.

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But you swore it was a stalemate. You can't even keep up with your own lies.

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Who. ****ing. Cares.

Our country is broke and you're super excited about sending unaccountable taxpayer dollars to a corrupt country, that was caught red-handed by our former POTUS who actually asked about their money laundering scheme and was IMPEACHED for it, and once his admin was out of power, more dollars flowed. WOW amazing.

You are a joke.

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And now that same former president and I agree on Ukraine

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My last sentence still stands.

You are an absolute joke.

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I'm fine with whatever you think. We got the money shut Russia down and I'm glad Johnson and Trump saw through the Russian propaganda and made it happen.

Putin miscalculated our unity and resolve. Time to slaughter them wholesale.

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It's cute you think this aid bill is gonna suddenly turn the tide and the UKEs are gonna "slaughter" the Russians.

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Turn what tide? Russia has gained a few miles in one tiny area on the front in the past 5 'months.

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Your slaughter comment implies you think the UKEs will start winning. Not going to happen. But 3 months from now you will still be on here claiming victory.

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Who. ****ing. Cares.

Our country is broke and you're super excited about sending unaccountable taxpayer dollars to a corrupt country, that was caught red-handed by our former POTUS who actually asked about their money laundering scheme and was IMPEACHED for it, and once his admin was out of power, more dollars flowed. WOW amazing.

You are a joke.

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My last sentence still stands.

You are an absolute joke.

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I'm fine with whatever you think. We got the money shut Russia down and I'm glad Johnson and Trump saw through the Russian propaganda and made it happen.

Putin miscalculated our unity and resolve. Time to slaughter them wholesale.

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Unfortunately for you, Ukraine will retake nothing and continue to slowly atrophy. I hope you don't abandon your shtick though, its fun to watch you step on rakes.

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Russia simply doesn't have the ability to do this against a well funded Ukraine with superior weaponry.

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Who. ****ing. Cares.

Our country is broke and you're super excited about sending unaccountable taxpayer dollars to a corrupt country, that was caught red-handed by our former POTUS who actually asked about their money laundering scheme and was IMPEACHED for it, and once his admin was out of power, more dollars flowed. WOW amazing.

You are a joke.

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And now that same former president and I agree on Ukraine

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My last sentence still stands.

You are an absolute joke.

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I'm fine with whatever you think. We got the money shut Russia down and I'm glad Johnson and Trump saw through the Russian propaganda and made it happen.

Putin miscalculated our unity and resolve. Time to slaughter them wholesale.

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It's cute you think this aid bill is gonna suddenly turn the tide and the UKEs are gonna "slaughter" the Russians.

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Turn what tide? Russia has gained a few miles in one tiny area on the front in the past 5 'months.

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Your slaughter comment implies you think the UKEs will start winning. Not going to happen. But 3 months from now you will still be on here claiming victory.

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Ukraine wins with frozen lines.as they are. That much is now a certainty. And their nato membership is going to happen as well.

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Teslag said:

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PlaneCrashGuy said:

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Teslag said:

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BadMoonRisin said:

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Teslag said:

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BadMoonRisin said:

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Who. ****ing. Cares.

Our country is broke and you're super excited about sending unaccountable taxpayer dollars to a corrupt country, that was caught red-handed by our former POTUS who actually asked about their money laundering scheme and was IMPEACHED for it, and once his admin was out of power, more dollars flowed. WOW amazing.

You are a joke.

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And now that same former president and I agree on Ukraine

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My last sentence still stands.

You are an absolute joke.

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I'm fine with whatever you think. We got the money shut Russia down and I'm glad Johnson and Trump saw through the Russian propaganda and made it happen.

Putin miscalculated our unity and resolve. Time to slaughter them wholesale.

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Unfortunately for you, Ukraine will retake nothing and continue to slowly atrophy. I hope you don't abandon your shtick though, its fun to watch you step on rakes.

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Russia simply doesn't have the ability to do this against a well funded Ukraine with superior weaponry.

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Are they orcs or dorks?

That's an honest question.

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Teslag said:

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PlaneCrashGuy said:

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Teslag said:

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BadMoonRisin said:

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Teslag said:

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BadMoonRisin said:

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Who. ****ing. Cares.

Our country is broke and you're super excited about sending unaccountable taxpayer dollars to a corrupt country, that was caught red-handed by our former POTUS who actually asked about their money laundering scheme and was IMPEACHED for it, and once his admin was out of power, more dollars flowed. WOW amazing.

You are a joke.

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And now that same former president and I agree on Ukraine

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My last sentence still stands.

You are an absolute joke.

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I'm fine with whatever you think. We got the money shut Russia down and I'm glad Johnson and Trump saw through the Russian propaganda and made it happen.

Putin miscalculated our unity and resolve. Time to slaughter them wholesale.

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Unfortunately for you, Ukraine will retake nothing and continue to slowly atrophy. I hope you don't abandon your shtick though, its fun to watch you step on rakes.

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Russia simply doesn't have the ability to do this against a well funded Ukraine with superior weaponry.

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You've been saying this for months but you yourself have admitted they've advanced, so I'll repeat myself: You can't even keep up with your own lies.