I responded to a message saying Standardized testing should be the ONLY criteria and said it was a terrible idea. Then you responded to that message.DannyDuberstein said:
I posted test scores and grades should be primary measures. Nowhere have I posted that we should test scores as the only criteria, yet you keep posting like I did. It should be one of the two leading criteria. I also already posted a solve for taking it multiple times - let these bleeding heart DEI schools pay for the economically disadvantaged kids. I also don't see an issue with capping how many times for each at maybe 3 to meet in the middle.
I come from the private sector where we try to solve issues vs finding excuses not to do so.
GPA also is very flawed. You have no standardized GPA and the difference between someone taking AP Physics C and AP Calculus BC vs someone taking on level Pre Calculus and not even taking Physics is night and day. Much less quality of school. You can't just plug in a GPA and compare apples to apples from High School to High School.
Most Selective schools look at about a dozen factors when looking at who to admit and the number of schools that have a Sub 20% Admit rate is to the point that schools that were once considered easy to get into now have become harder than what Ivies used to be. At the other end you still have the overwhelming majority of schools that have extremely high admit rates, most are 70% plus. Essentially you have more kids than ever trying to get into Selective schools and due to the Common App and the Internet they have the tools to both apply to 20 plus schools and the information they need to prepare a strong application. Most Selective schools admit that the majority of applicants are academically qualified for their school but they simply have limited seats, thus you get the ever shrinking admit rates. For instance the estimated OOS admit rate for UNC last year was under 4%, that's not because they have a lot of dumb kids applying. More and more schools are not only Sub 10% but Sub 5%.
You are arguing as though this is about schools simply wanting to meet DEI standards and while that is a factor for some it is not the real issue. The real issue is far, far more complicated. I say this as someone who thinks anything having to do with race or sex should be removed from admission criteria. Not only is it morally wrong it ends up making the problem it was designed to solve worse because Math doesn't care so the only way to make it work is to lower standards or adjust the program to fit those goals.
BTW, here is a good breakdown of why we are having these issues. This is a college advisor who broke down why a kid who got a lot of publicity for having a 4.42 GPA and a 1590 SAT didn't get in to a lot of Selective colleges. It had nothing to do with DEI.
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