In reply to Brian Alg Could this be caused by a settlement?

In reply to Stupe They weren't going to go easy on them when the case was important enough for the police to kill a kid over it.

In reply to Stupe You can find guns in just about anyone's house here….

In reply to Stupe I have a pretty strong distrust of government and police to begin with. Several very high profile cases of police killing citizens either through their direct action, or inaction, has elevated this. I'd be willing to bet you could find a couple guns and a couple ounces of weed in at least half the college student housing in town.

I'm not real worried about a few doses of LSD. People have been doing it since the 60s. Illegal? Yes, but there are lots worse things out there like heroin or fentanyl that do worry me. You can sleep better at night knowing these folks are going to spend at least 2.5 years in the iron bar inn, I sleep worse at night knowing this kid got gunned down by CSPD when I believe he thought he was the victim of a home invasion.

Problem is, we won't know because the city won't release the footage. So, here we are.

Have any of our media outlets even interviewed the girlfriend? Neighbors? It seems like our local media don't really want to do much looking. I know that shocks some of you.

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Marlin39m said:

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Have any of our media outlets even interviewed the girlfriend? Neighbors? It seems like our local media don't really want to do much looking. I know that shocks some of you.

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The media, both local and national, are nothing more than an extension of the government that we no longer trust.

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Have any of our media outlets even interviewed the girlfriend? Neighbors? It seems like our local media don't really want to do much looking. I know that shocks some of you.

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Local media know that if they ask the city too many prying questions, they will get the Art Briles treatment that he gave Larry Bowen after Bowen asked RGIII a question following Baylor's beat down by the Ags.

Looks pretty simple.

Cops executing a drug raid, cops annouce themselves, guy shoots at cops, cops return fire and kill the guy trying to kill them.

I see no issue from the cops. Shooting at cops is clearly not justified.

And don't do drugs, even LSD.

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Looks pretty simple.

Cops executing a drug raid, cops annouce themselves, guy shoots at cops, cops return fire and kill the guy trying to kill them.

I see no issue from the cops. Shooting at cops is clearly not justified.

And don't do drugs, even LSD.

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Let's see the video to make sure it happened that way.

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maroon barchetta said:

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Pro Sandy said:

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Looks pretty simple.

Cops executing a drug raid, cops annouce themselves, guy shoots at cops, cops return fire and kill the guy trying to kill them.

I see no issue from the cops. Shooting at cops is clearly not justified.

And don't do drugs, even LSD.

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Let's see the video to make sure it happened that way.

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I trust the cops more than I trust drug users. I'm good.

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Pro Sandy said:

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maroon barchetta said:

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Pro Sandy said:

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Looks pretty simple.

Cops executing a drug raid, cops annouce themselves, guy shoots at cops, cops return fire and kill the guy trying to kill them.

I see no issue from the cops. Shooting at cops is clearly not justified.

And don't do drugs, even LSD.

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Let's see the video to make sure it happened that way.

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I trust the cops more than I trust drug users. I'm good.

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Then the video should prove why you trust them.

In reply to Pro Sandy You clearly are not aware what was in the affidavit for the warrant. CSPD had no legitimate reason to enter the home. Seriously, it is bad enough that the investigators responsible should be prepared to lose qualified immunity. And you clearly don't know how the search went down. It was supposed to abide by the knock and announce requirement. Only an extremely liberal understanding of the boundaries could qualify what CSPD did at 6am a reasonable execution of a warrant (which happened to be invalid).

The City is not saying "we have read the affidavit, we have seen the video, we are not concerned about any lawsuits." They aren't claiming to know they are in the clear. They are pretending to think that someone else did proper oversight. They know CSPD messed up big time.

As frustrating as the zero-transparency approach is, I think it is understandable to want to wait this one out as long as possible. When the video comes out, when the affidavit gets a serious review, anyone still paying attention is not going to be pleased with what they find out.

The question is, who in the City is going to be able to get away with claiming "we didn't know."

In reply to Brian Alg Don't confuse the facts with a good political argument.

This is why people with critical thinking skills aren't allowed to be police officers. See the Robert Jordan case in Connecticut.

In other news, that report of the Uvalde incident sure renews my faith in police. /s

Those guys can't cover it up, but they sure tried to at first.

The family shouldn't settle for less than 100mil and the promise to fire every single person on that corrupt scene that day. They should get the ACLU involved and we need community organizers to bring this to light nationally. This invasive corruption doesn't need to be swept under the rug. The light and attention on it needs to be so bright that they fear the people and are accountable to them again!

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Pro Sandy said:

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Looks pretty simple.

Cops executing a drug raid, cops announce themselves, guy shoots at cops, cops return fire and kill the guy trying to kill them.

I see no issue from the cops. Shooting at cops is clearly not justified.

And don't do drugs, even LSD.

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It went more like:

Cops used an invalid warrant to enter,

Didn't REALLy announce,

Woke up a legal gun owner and non-drug user who was like, "WTF?!",

Who picked up his weapon and attempted to protect himself and partner,

And the cops killed him.

The question I have is… how many in this thread are ok with a police officer (or many officers) entering your house in the wee hours of morning after banging on the door and then breaking it down? I don't care if they announce or not I think the process is a serious misuse of force.

That an innocent young man was killed enforces the idea this is a terrible way to do business.

I don't understand this type of process and never will.

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The question I have is… how many in this thread are ok with a police officer (or many officers) entering your house in the wee hours of morning after banging on the door and then breaking it down? I don't care if they announce or not I think the process is a serious misuse of force.

That an innocent young man was killed enforces the idea this is a terrible way to do business.

I don't understand this type of process and never will.

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Wasn't there a no-knock raid in Snook or Lyons or Somerville about ten years ago that ended up with an officer killed by the resident at the home, and the resident being found not guilty of homicide due to him being in self-defense mode?

In reply to Goat Man Somerville.

https://kwhi.com/2014/02/06/henry-magee-no-billied-in-deputys-death/

There are much easier ways to make an arrest, IMHO.

This systemic denial to information outside a confidentiality agreement is contrary to the spirits of self-government and open records law.

https://www.propublica.org/article/how-police-undermined-promise-body-cameras

I hope this tragedy is the catalyst that brings change to BCS. The city still has a chance to be on the right side of this by forcing change upon CSPD.

In reply to Goat Man I still don't understand how they raided this townhome looking for a person that wasn't even there. We are not talking about an al-Qaeda complex with underground tunnels that they can slip in and out of. If CSPD was going to the extreme measure of busting down a door, you'd think they'd make absolutely sure the person was there. If they had been surveilling the house, they could have been sure he had entered the house and was there.

It was a failed operation and they botched it badly. I personally have no reason to expect police to come busting into my house, especially in the middle of the night. If someone busts in the door while I'm in a deep sleep, I can guarantee that I am not going to just believe that it's the police just because a stranger yells they're the police...that's even assuming I heard/processed that they announced police. You can't tell me that any future break-ins, homeowners are supposed to just "stand down" because the intruder yells police.

yeah like I mentioned earlier in this thread, as a child we were home invaded and that crime started with the dopeheads yelling "police search warrant!!!" as they kicked in our door and robbed us at gunpoint. As a child I had a pistol in my face while a dope fiend stole my catcher's glove, but hey at least they "announced" they were the police.

Whether someone "announces" or not does not should have zero bearing on this.


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we aren't calling shotgun to get the front seat here, these are armed personnel entering a home in the wee hours, a man has a right to defend himself and his loved ones, unless they can PROVE he knew they were LEO's I think lobbing hot rocks at the (to him at least) unidentified intruders is completely justifiable.

In reply to AgProgrammer This flies in the face of all the "cops good, bad guy bad" logic here on TexAgs

In reply to MeKnowNot ...and if we don't hear back from you, we're going to bust into your house? Nevermind that they literally found absolutely no illegal activity in this raid and none of the people in the house were actually in the warrant or were suspects. Our bad.