Exclusive: Reggie Bush is getting his 2005 Heisman Trophy back, ESPN has learned, with a formal “reinstatement” of the trophy coming today. The decision comes amid what the Heisman Trust calls “enormous changes in the college football landscape.” https://t.co/ug2Q0rOeh7 pic.twitter.com/dwK7wd3I7b
— Pete Thamel (@PeteThamel) April 24, 2024
The Heisman Trust is reinstating Reggie Bush and giving the trophy back today
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8:05a, 4/24/24
8:13a, 4/24/24
Couldn’t be happier for my guy @ReggieBush 🤞🏼 https://t.co/iwjc1Kuu85
— Johnny Manziel (@JManziel2) April 24, 2024
8:42a, 4/24/24
Guess I'm the only one that doesn't think he should get it back. He broke the rules, he knew he broke the rules, he decided it was worth the risk of getting caught, he got caught, and then thinks the consequences shouldn't apply to him.
I didn't meet the lofty GPA requirements of one of my college scholarships. I guess I need to start a PR campaign on how I DESERVE to have that scholarship money given to me even though I didn't hold up my end of the bargain.
I didn't meet the lofty GPA requirements of one of my college scholarships. I guess I need to start a PR campaign on how I DESERVE to have that scholarship money given to me even though I didn't hold up my end of the bargain.
8:47a, 4/24/24
In reply to agnerd
So you think Johnny's Heisman should be taken away too?
And your comparison is absolute dog **** by the way.
agnerd said:
Guess I'm the only one that doesn't think he should get it back. He broke the rules, he knew he broke the rules, he decided it was worth the risk of getting caught, he got caught, and then thinks the consequences shouldn't apply to him.
I didn't meet the lofty GPA requirements of one of my college scholarships. I guess I need to start a PR campaign on how I DESERVE to have that scholarship money given to me even though I didn't hold up my end of the bargain.
So you think Johnny's Heisman should be taken away too?
And your comparison is absolute dog **** by the way.
8:52a, 4/24/24
In reply to agnerd
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agnerd said:
Guess I'm the only one that doesn't think he should get it back. He broke the rules, he knew he broke the rules, he decided it was worth the risk of getting caught, he got caught, and then thinks the consequences shouldn't apply to him.
I didn't meet the lofty GPA requirements of one of my college scholarships. I guess I need to start a PR campaign on how I DESERVE to have that scholarship money given to me even though I didn't hold up my end of the bargain.
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8:54a, 4/24/24
In reply to agnerd
This, slap in the face to all the athletes who did follow the rules.agnerd said:
Guess I'm the only one that doesn't think he should get it back. He broke the rules, he knew he broke the rules, he decided it was worth the risk of getting caught, he got caught, and then thinks the consequences shouldn't apply to him.
I didn't meet the lofty GPA requirements of one of my college scholarships. I guess I need to start a PR campaign on how I DESERVE to have that scholarship money given to me even though I didn't hold up my end of the bargain.
8:54a, 4/24/24
In reply to Know Your Enemy
It'd be more like your college scholarship having a rule that you can't make any other money but you worked a side job tutoring so they're taking it away. Also, every other scholarship recipient was tutoring for money...but you were the best at it so got paid more. Still not a great comparison, but closer.
The comparisons people make are hilarious to me.Know Your Enemy said:agnerd said:
Guess I'm the only one that doesn't think he should get it back. He broke the rules, he knew he broke the rules, he decided it was worth the risk of getting caught, he got caught, and then thinks the consequences shouldn't apply to him.
I didn't meet the lofty GPA requirements of one of my college scholarships. I guess I need to start a PR campaign on how I DESERVE to have that scholarship money given to me even though I didn't hold up my end of the bargain.
So you think Johnny's Heisman should be taken away too?
And your comparison is absolute dog **** by the way.
It'd be more like your college scholarship having a rule that you can't make any other money but you worked a side job tutoring so they're taking it away. Also, every other scholarship recipient was tutoring for money...but you were the best at it so got paid more. Still not a great comparison, but closer.
8:57a, 4/24/24
In reply to AnimalA10
Just because they didn't get caught doesn't mean they followed the rules. Are you guys really this dumb or are you trolling?
AnimalA10 said:This, slap in the face to all the athletes who did follow the rules.agnerd said:
Guess I'm the only one that doesn't think he should get it back. He broke the rules, he knew he broke the rules, he decided it was worth the risk of getting caught, he got caught, and then thinks the consequences shouldn't apply to him.
I didn't meet the lofty GPA requirements of one of my college scholarships. I guess I need to start a PR campaign on how I DESERVE to have that scholarship money given to me even though I didn't hold up my end of the bargain.
Just because they didn't get caught doesn't mean they followed the rules. Are you guys really this dumb or are you trolling?
9:00a, 4/24/24
In reply to Know Your Enemy
Exactly. I think you would be hard pressed to find one who followed the rules if you could look closely enough.Know Your Enemy said:AnimalA10 said:This, slap in the face to all the athletes who did follow the rules.agnerd said:
Guess I'm the only one that doesn't think he should get it back. He broke the rules, he knew he broke the rules, he decided it was worth the risk of getting caught, he got caught, and then thinks the consequences shouldn't apply to him.
I didn't meet the lofty GPA requirements of one of my college scholarships. I guess I need to start a PR campaign on how I DESERVE to have that scholarship money given to me even though I didn't hold up my end of the bargain.
Just because they didn't get caught doesn't mean they followed the rules. Are you guys really this dumb or are you trolling?
9:00a, 4/24/24
In reply to suburban cowboy
Not really. A nerd wouldn't have missed the GPA requirements.
suburban cowboy said:agnerd said:
Guess I'm the only one that doesn't think he should get it back. He broke the rules, he knew he broke the rules, he decided it was worth the risk of getting caught, he got caught, and then thinks the consequences shouldn't apply to him.
I didn't meet the lofty GPA requirements of one of my college scholarships. I guess I need to start a PR campaign on how I DESERVE to have that scholarship money given to me even though I didn't hold up my end of the bargain.
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Not really. A nerd wouldn't have missed the GPA requirements.
9:08a, 4/24/24
In reply to agnerd
Everyone acknowledges that the practice of players receiving benefits was extremely widespread. By your logic, you would have to collect thousands of trophies. The fact that the prohibition of players from receiving benefits was illegal in the first place also helps.
agnerd said:
Guess I'm the only one that doesn't think he should get it back. He broke the rules, he knew he broke the rules, he decided it was worth the risk of getting caught, he got caught, and then thinks the consequences shouldn't apply to him.
I didn't meet the lofty GPA requirements of one of my college scholarships. I guess I need to start a PR campaign on how I DESERVE to have that scholarship money given to me even though I didn't hold up my end of the bargain.
Everyone acknowledges that the practice of players receiving benefits was extremely widespread. By your logic, you would have to collect thousands of trophies. The fact that the prohibition of players from receiving benefits was illegal in the first place also helps.
9:11a, 4/24/24
Oh, so taking money from people is ok even in retrospect? Hang the banner - Texas Aggies Undefeated 1994 National Champs!
10:30a, 4/24/24
In reply to Know Your Enemy
Accordingly, I knew that I had to keep a 3.75 to keep my scholarship. I knew that that would be difficult in engineering. I decided that an engineering degree was worth more to me than $7k of scholarship money. After a semester, I decided that being involved in campus life was more important than the $6k remaining on my scholarship. I chose to let me grades fall, and I had to deal with the consequences of those actions. I don't deserve the rest of that scholarship and nobody should feel sorry for me and the decisions I consciously made to lose it.
Both decisions involve evaluating the consequences of the actions taken. I guess I didn't try to cheat to keep my reward even though other people were. If I had cheated and gotten caught, again, I believe I deserve to lose my scholarship based on the rules I agreed to. But other than that, the situations seem very similar to me.
If Johnny had been caught, yes his trophy should've been taken away, too. He decided that the money was more important to him than the chance he could lose the trophy. I will argue all day that he EARNED the right to make the decision on whether the risk was acceptable to him. Same thing with Bush.Know Your Enemy said:agnerd said:
Guess I'm the only one that doesn't think he should get it back. He broke the rules, he knew he broke the rules, he decided it was worth the risk of getting caught, he got caught, and then thinks the consequences shouldn't apply to him.
I didn't meet the lofty GPA requirements of one of my college scholarships. I guess I need to start a PR campaign on how I DESERVE to have that scholarship money given to me even though I didn't hold up my end of the bargain.
So you think Johnny's Heisman should be taken away too?
And your comparison is absolute dog **** by the way.
Accordingly, I knew that I had to keep a 3.75 to keep my scholarship. I knew that that would be difficult in engineering. I decided that an engineering degree was worth more to me than $7k of scholarship money. After a semester, I decided that being involved in campus life was more important than the $6k remaining on my scholarship. I chose to let me grades fall, and I had to deal with the consequences of those actions. I don't deserve the rest of that scholarship and nobody should feel sorry for me and the decisions I consciously made to lose it.
Both decisions involve evaluating the consequences of the actions taken. I guess I didn't try to cheat to keep my reward even though other people were. If I had cheated and gotten caught, again, I believe I deserve to lose my scholarship based on the rules I agreed to. But other than that, the situations seem very similar to me.
10:36a, 4/24/24
In reply to agnerd
So you're OK with breaking rules as long as you don't get caught?
10:44a, 4/24/24
Why would anyone get upset at Reggie getting it returned? If the other candidates that year, felt he deserves it or they didn't make a fuss about it? Why would you individually care? It wasn't a performance enhancing act and he wasn't cheating on the field.
Enough pressure was made on the committee from past winners and other candidates. I'll take their input on this over most.
Enough pressure was made on the committee from past winners and other candidates. I'll take their input on this over most.
10:54a, 4/24/24
In reply to Know Your Enemy
Yes. I drive a few miles over the speed limit most of the time.
11:12a, 4/24/24
In reply to agnerd
If somebody in California smoked a joint and got put in state prison for five years, and California legalized marijuana one month after the five year prison sentence started, do you think that person should still serve the entire five years for something that is not illegal?
If a slave in the southern United States broke the law by running away in 1963 and was put in prison for life, and slavery was outlawed in 1964 (all of this actually happened by the way), do you think that person should still serve a life sentence in prison? He broke the rules, right? He knew the rules and decided it was worth the risk, and he got caught, right?
Hint: the only appropriate answer to these questions is "no." If your answer is anything other than "no" then you are bat **** crazy and there is no reasoning with you.
agnerd said:
Guess I'm the only one that doesn't think he should get it back. He broke the rules, he knew he broke the rules, he decided it was worth the risk of getting caught, he got caught, and then thinks the consequences shouldn't apply to him.
I didn't meet the lofty GPA requirements of one of my college scholarships. I guess I need to start a PR campaign on how I DESERVE to have that scholarship money given to me even though I didn't hold up my end of the bargain.
If somebody in California smoked a joint and got put in state prison for five years, and California legalized marijuana one month after the five year prison sentence started, do you think that person should still serve the entire five years for something that is not illegal?
If a slave in the southern United States broke the law by running away in 1963 and was put in prison for life, and slavery was outlawed in 1964 (all of this actually happened by the way), do you think that person should still serve a life sentence in prison? He broke the rules, right? He knew the rules and decided it was worth the risk, and he got caught, right?
Hint: the only appropriate answer to these questions is "no." If your answer is anything other than "no" then you are bat **** crazy and there is no reasoning with you.
11:21a, 4/24/24
In reply to Ag_0112358132134
History major?
Ag_0112358132134 said:
If a slave in the southern United States broke the law by running away in 1964 and was put in prison for life, and slavery was outlawed in 1965 (this actually happened by the way),
History major?
11:21a, 4/24/24
In reply to agnerd
What a stupid comparison. Nothing about you having to keep a 3.75 GPA to maintain a scholarship is equivalent to Reggie Bush being eternally denied a Heisman trophy he rightfully won even though what he did is now totally legal. Your level of irrational butthurt over this is astounding.
agnerd said:If Johnny had been caught, yes his trophy should've been taken away, too. He decided that the money was more important to him than the chance he could lose the trophy. I will argue all day that he EARNED the right to make the decision on whether the risk was acceptable to him. Same thing with Bush.Know Your Enemy said:agnerd said:
Guess I'm the only one that doesn't think he should get it back. He broke the rules, he knew he broke the rules, he decided it was worth the risk of getting caught, he got caught, and then thinks the consequences shouldn't apply to him.
I didn't meet the lofty GPA requirements of one of my college scholarships. I guess I need to start a PR campaign on how I DESERVE to have that scholarship money given to me even though I didn't hold up my end of the bargain.
So you think Johnny's Heisman should be taken away too?
And your comparison is absolute dog **** by the way.
Accordingly, I knew that I had to keep a 3.75 to keep my scholarship. I knew that that would be difficult in engineering. I decided that an engineering degree was worth more to me than $7k of scholarship money. After a semester, I decided that being involved in campus life was more important than the $6k remaining on my scholarship. I chose to let me grades fall, and I had to deal with the consequences of those actions. I don't deserve the rest of that scholarship and nobody should feel sorry for me and the decisions I consciously made to lose it.
Both decisions involve evaluating the consequences of the actions taken. I guess I didn't try to cheat to keep my reward even though other people were. If I had cheated and gotten caught, again, I believe I deserve to lose my scholarship based on the rules I agreed to. But other than that, the situations seem very similar to me.
What a stupid comparison. Nothing about you having to keep a 3.75 GPA to maintain a scholarship is equivalent to Reggie Bush being eternally denied a Heisman trophy he rightfully won even though what he did is now totally legal. Your level of irrational butthurt over this is astounding.
11:23a, 4/24/24
In reply to Ag_0112358132134
Slavery had been totally outlawed by 1964.Ag_0112358132134 said:
If a slave in the southern United States broke the law by running away in 1964 and was put in prison for life, and slavery was outlawed in 1965 (this actually happened by the way), do you think that person should still serve a life sentence in prison? He broke the rules, right? He knew the rules and decided it was worth the risk, and he got caught, right?
Hint: the only appropriate answer to these questions is "no." If your answer is anything other than "no" then you are bat **** crazy and there is no reasoning with you.
11:24a, 4/24/24
In reply to Ag Tag
Yeah, I got the dates wrong. There was a slave who received a life sentence the year before slavery was outlawed. The point stands.
12:04p, 4/24/24
In reply to StinkyPinky
Pete Rose should have never won the Heisman in the first place.StinkyPinky said:
Awesome. Now Peter Rose's turn.
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12:38p, 4/24/24
In reply to Scientific
This is the biggest point really. Not an issue with doing something on the field so who cares now. I get suspending it then (even if it was dumb), but there is no reason to uphold a punishment as rules change. As someone else mentioned, it's like putting someone in prison for 5 years for weed possession, legalizing weed a month later, and then keeping that guy in prison for 5 years anyway.Scientific said:
Why would anyone get upset at Reggie getting it returned? If the other candidates that year, felt he deserves it or they didn't make a fuss about it? Why would you individually care? It wasn't a performance enhancing act and he wasn't cheating on the field.
Enough pressure was made on the committee from past winners and other candidates. I'll take their input on this over most.
12:46p, 4/24/24
In reply to The Dog Lord
it isn't like he was caught taking PED's to enhance his performance.
yep.The Dog Lord said:This is the biggest point really. Not an issue with doing something on the field so who cares now. I get suspending it then (even if it was dumb), but there is no reason to uphold a punishment as rules change. As someone else mentioned, it's like putting someone in prison for 5 years for weed possession, legalizing weed a month later, and then keeping that guy in prison for 5 years anyway.Scientific said:
Why would anyone get upset at Reggie getting it returned? If the other candidates that year, felt he deserves it or they didn't make a fuss about it? Why would you individually care? It wasn't a performance enhancing act and he wasn't cheating on the field.
Enough pressure was made on the committee from past winners and other candidates. I'll take their input on this over most.
it isn't like he was caught taking PED's to enhance his performance.
1:31p, 4/24/24
In reply to AnimalA10
The assumption shamateuridm creates corruption free competition on the field is very close to universally false. But there is always D3 where the virtue signalers should flee AND be chintzy at the same time!!!!AnimalA10 said:This, slap in the face to all the athletes who did follow the rules.agnerd said:
Guess I'm the only one that doesn't think he should get it back. He broke the rules, he knew he broke the rules, he decided it was worth the risk of getting caught, he got caught, and then thinks the consequences shouldn't apply to him.
I didn't meet the lofty GPA requirements of one of my college scholarships. I guess I need to start a PR campaign on how I DESERVE to have that scholarship money given to me even though I didn't hold up my end of the bargain.