In reply to Irwin M. Fletcher
Picadillo isn't here to respond to your question, Picadillo (and DadHammer) are here to waste your time looking up all this useless junk.
1:46p, 8/17/20
In reply to Irwin M. Fletcher
Autocorrect gave you a really good one.
lubricious : offensively displaying or intended to arouse sexual desire.
Irwin M. Fletcher said:
Will you answer my question????? I am not even anti HCQ, I believe in theory it might have benefit if used in the cocktail early. It has not been proven to do so but in theory it makes sense. My question is around your stupid claim that big Pharma is pushing the narrative to get more expensive options in the treatment plan. That is lubricous and is disproven by dexamethasone being used. Please answer that will you?
Autocorrect gave you a really good one.
lubricious : offensively displaying or intended to arouse sexual desire.
4:18p, 8/17/20
In reply to new straw
Reminds me more of this....new straw said:
Is this the game thread where that one dude talks to himself?
2:47p, 1/22/21
In reply to Infection_Ag11
My aunt has tried to treat my grandma with frequency treatments after she knocked herself out from a fall, for example, so I think it's fair to question what she was up to.
My grandma (in her 80's) had contact with someone who came down with COVID and has gotten sick. My (conspiracy theory embracing, anti-science) aunt took her to a clinic where she got "some shots" and HCQ, Azithromiycin Ivermectin, and Prednisone. Given what I heard about the doctor and the clinic where my aunt took her, I poked a little more into it and found out she got to see Dr. Stella Immanuel. So, I guess in case if you were wondering, yes she's still working and still handing out HCQ.Infection_Ag11 said:Windy City Ag said:
Dr. Stella has thousands of patients! She listens to them.
She's a Cameroonian witch doctor, conspiracy theorist and is the pastor of a denomination most mainstream Christians here would regard as a cult.
My aunt has tried to treat my grandma with frequency treatments after she knocked herself out from a fall, for example, so I think it's fair to question what she was up to.
5:21p, 1/22/21
Can't believe this thread made through five months of dry dock. Hello old friend. Still kicking a little I see.
7:57p, 1/22/21
Gosh. I was so excited about HCQ in March. Seems like eons ago. Still not convinced it isn't beneficial given day zero.
8:47p, 1/22/21
In reply to Marcus Aurelius
Yes me too! And I agree!Marcus Aurelius said:
Gosh. I was so excited about HCQ in March. Seems like eons ago. Still not convinced it isn't beneficial given day zero.
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9:07p, 1/23/21
In reply to Marcus Aurelius
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Marcus Aurelius said:
Gosh. I was so excited about HCQ in March. Seems like eons ago. Still not convinced it isn't beneficial given day zero.
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2:32p, 1/24/21
In reply to Marcus Aurelius
HCQ isn't an abortion pill, how do you identify day zero?Marcus Aurelius said:
Gosh. I was so excited about HCQ in March. Seems like eons ago. Still not convinced it isn't beneficial given day zero.
5:02p, 1/24/21
In reply to culdeus
The virus itself doesn't appear as deadly as the inflammation and damage it leaves behind as the body is clearing it. HCQ's potential lies in its anti-inflammatory properties, in my opinion. However, steroids are potent anti-inflammatories as well, and we've seen dexamethasone and other steroids demonstrate clear and unequivocal benefits in that category.
That's the hard part here. Even monoclonal antibodies or convalescent plasma would be extremely beneficial given on day 0, or day 1. Or, even prophylactically following a high risk exposure. The problem is we have a have a hard time identifying day 0. Frequently it isn't until day 2-3 of illness, which is day 7-8 post exposure, that patients present for testing.culdeus said:HCQ isn't an abortion pill, how do you identify day zero?Marcus Aurelius said:
Gosh. I was so excited about HCQ in March. Seems like eons ago. Still not convinced it isn't beneficial given day zero.
The virus itself doesn't appear as deadly as the inflammation and damage it leaves behind as the body is clearing it. HCQ's potential lies in its anti-inflammatory properties, in my opinion. However, steroids are potent anti-inflammatories as well, and we've seen dexamethasone and other steroids demonstrate clear and unequivocal benefits in that category.
12:07p, 1/25/21
In reply to bigtruckguy3500
THC has anti-inflammtory properties (E: even a reasonable MoA) but don't see many people advocating for Covid "treatment" centers.bigtruckguy3500 said:That's the hard part here. Even monoclonal antibodies or convalescent plasma would be extremely beneficial given on day 0, or day 1. Or, even prophylactically following a high risk exposure. The problem is we have a have a hard time identifying day 0. Frequently it isn't until day 2-3 of illness, which is day 7-8 post exposure, that patients present for testing.culdeus said:HCQ isn't an abortion pill, how do you identify day zero?Marcus Aurelius said:
Gosh. I was so excited about HCQ in March. Seems like eons ago. Still not convinced it isn't beneficial given day zero.
The virus itself doesn't appear as deadly as the inflammation and damage it leaves behind as the body is clearing it. HCQ's potential lies in its anti-inflammatory properties, in my opinion. However, steroids are potent anti-inflammatories as well, and we've seen dexamethasone and other steroids demonstrate clear and unequivocal benefits in that category.
7:52p, 1/26/21
Oklahoma is trying to return $2 million worth of HCQ back to the supplier they bought it from...
https://www.readfrontier.org/stories/oklahoma-trying-to-return-its-2m-stockpile-of-hydroxychloroquine/
https://www.readfrontier.org/stories/oklahoma-trying-to-return-its-2m-stockpile-of-hydroxychloroquine/
9:17p, 1/26/21
From my understanding it's the inflammation that jacks with the taste and smell, would steroids help in this regard?
11:55p, 1/26/21
In reply to leftcoastaggie
Maybe Picadillo and Dr. Demon Sperm can go in halfsies.leftcoastaggie said:
Oklahoma is trying to return $2 million worth of HCQ back to the supplier they bought it from...
https://www.readfrontier.org/stories/oklahoma-trying-to-return-its-2m-stockpile-of-hydroxychloroquine/
7:26a, 1/27/21
In reply to leftcoastaggie
They should just grind it up for fish tank cleaning products, or was that some other nonsense drug for this? I lost track.leftcoastaggie said:
Oklahoma is trying to return $2 million worth of HCQ back to the supplier they bought it from...
https://www.readfrontier.org/stories/oklahoma-trying-to-return-its-2m-stockpile-of-hydroxychloroquine/
12:15p, 1/27/21
In reply to Marcus Aurelius
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0002934320306732#bib0018
It seems to be beneficial according to the The American Journal of Medicine or at worst will not hurt you.Marcus Aurelius said:
Gosh. I was so excited about HCQ in March. Seems like eons ago. Still not convinced it isn't beneficial given day zero.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0002934320306732#bib0018
Still don't understand why this was not allowed last year by folks who were supposedly following the science.Quote:
The currently completed retrospective studies and randomized trials have generally shown these findings: 1) when started late in the hospital course and for short durations of time, antimalarials appear to be ineffective, 2) when started earlier in the hospital course, for progressively longer durations and in outpatients, antimalarials may reduce the progression of disease, prevent hospitalization, and are associated with reduced mortality.22, 23, 24, 25
5:19p, 1/27/21
In reply to YouBet
There's a reason why this is published in a journal with a low impact factor. They didn't cite or discuss any of the major, *prospective* HCQ trials. The last citation is about HCQ in autoimmune disorders. Also "may" is a keyword in their second point. "Associated" is equally pointless, like I'm "associated" with A&M but I haven't stepped foot in CS for over a decade.YouBet said:It seems to be beneficial according to the The American Journal of Medicine or at worst will not hurt you.Marcus Aurelius said:
Gosh. I was so excited about HCQ in March. Seems like eons ago. Still not convinced it isn't beneficial given day zero.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0002934320306732#bib0018Still don't understand why this was not allowed last year by folks who were supposedly following the science.Quote:
The currently completed retrospective studies and randomized trials have generally shown these findings: 1) when started late in the hospital course and for short durations of time, antimalarials appear to be ineffective, 2) when started earlier in the hospital course, for progressively longer durations and in outpatients, antimalarials may reduce the progression of disease, prevent hospitalization, and are associated with reduced mortality.22, 23, 24, 25
5:30p, 1/27/21
In reply to 2PacShakur
That's cool but having it flat out blocked from usage in some places due to politics is inexcusable.2PacShakur said:There's a reason why this is published in a journal with a low impact factor. They didn't cite or discuss any of the major, *prospective* HCQ trials. The last citation is about HCQ in autoimmune disorders. Also "may" is a keyword in their second point. "Associated" is equally pointless, like I'm "associated" with A&M but I haven't stepped foot in CS for over a decade.YouBet said:It seems to be beneficial according to the The American Journal of Medicine or at worst will not hurt you.Marcus Aurelius said:
Gosh. I was so excited about HCQ in March. Seems like eons ago. Still not convinced it isn't beneficial given day zero.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0002934320306732#bib0018Still don't understand why this was not allowed last year by folks who were supposedly following the science.Quote:
The currently completed retrospective studies and randomized trials have generally shown these findings: 1) when started late in the hospital course and for short durations of time, antimalarials appear to be ineffective, 2) when started earlier in the hospital course, for progressively longer durations and in outpatients, antimalarials may reduce the progression of disease, prevent hospitalization, and are associated with reduced mortality.22, 23, 24, 25
6:42p, 1/27/21
In reply to 2PacShakur
I lost my taste and smell, but only for 3 days.
I definitely was using THC / CBD edibles when I had covid. 5mg to 10mg at night to help me sleep.2PacShakur said:THC has anti-inflammtory properties (E: even a reasonable MoA) but don't see many people advocating for Covid "treatment" centers.bigtruckguy3500 said:That's the hard part here. Even monoclonal antibodies or convalescent plasma would be extremely beneficial given on day 0, or day 1. Or, even prophylactically following a high risk exposure. The problem is we have a have a hard time identifying day 0. Frequently it isn't until day 2-3 of illness, which is day 7-8 post exposure, that patients present for testing.culdeus said:HCQ isn't an abortion pill, how do you identify day zero?Marcus Aurelius said:
Gosh. I was so excited about HCQ in March. Seems like eons ago. Still not convinced it isn't beneficial given day zero.
The virus itself doesn't appear as deadly as the inflammation and damage it leaves behind as the body is clearing it. HCQ's potential lies in its anti-inflammatory properties, in my opinion. However, steroids are potent anti-inflammatories as well, and we've seen dexamethasone and other steroids demonstrate clear and unequivocal benefits in that category.
I lost my taste and smell, but only for 3 days.
9:14a, 1/28/21
In reply to aggieduke
I'm not sure. I don't have much to compare against. I was taking:
Days 5-7 was the worst for me.
- Zinc
- CoQ10
- Emergen-C
- THC / CBD
Days 5-7 was the worst for me.
1:46p, 1/28/21
In reply to NASAg03
I'll just take that as a yes
NASAg03 said:
I'm not sure. I don't have much to compare against. I was taking:
- Zinc
- CoQ10
- Emergen-C
- THC / CBD
Days 5-7 was the worst for me.
I'll just take that as a yes
Philippians 4:13
9:47p, 1/28/21
In reply to YouBet
This is an August 2020 article and there is more recent data. This was not quality data. Click into the article and you can see the actual publication date.
YouBet said:It seems to be beneficial according to the The American Journal of Medicine or at worst will not hurt you.Marcus Aurelius said:
Gosh. I was so excited about HCQ in March. Seems like eons ago. Still not convinced it isn't beneficial given day zero.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0002934320306732#bib0018Still don't understand why this was not allowed last year by folks who were supposedly following the science.Quote:
The currently completed retrospective studies and randomized trials have generally shown these findings: 1) when started late in the hospital course and for short durations of time, antimalarials appear to be ineffective, 2) when started earlier in the hospital course, for progressively longer durations and in outpatients, antimalarials may reduce the progression of disease, prevent hospitalization, and are associated with reduced mortality.22, 23, 24, 25
This is an August 2020 article and there is more recent data. This was not quality data. Click into the article and you can see the actual publication date.
11:30p, 1/28/21
In reply to YouBet
Hospitalized pts; Prophylaxis; AZ non-severe; AZ mild-to-moderate; postprandialYouBet said:
Can you link the recent data?
7:29a, 1/29/21
In reply to [removed post]
This study has some of what you are asking
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/eclinm/article/PIIS2589-5370(20)30389-8/fulltext
JJMt said:And yet another study where the HCQ is first administered after the disease had already set in. Are there any studies of HCQ administered early in the onset of the disease? And administered in conjunction with zinc and athromycin (sp?)?2PacShakur said:Hospitalized pts; Prophylaxis; AZ non-severe; AZ mild-to-moderate; postprandialYouBet said:
Can you link the recent data?
This study has some of what you are asking
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/eclinm/article/PIIS2589-5370(20)30389-8/fulltext
7:56a, 1/5/24
estimated 17,000 people dead from this drug.
https://www.politico.eu/article/hydroxychloroquine-could-have-caused-17000-deaths-during-covid-study-finds/
https://www.politico.eu/article/hydroxychloroquine-could-have-caused-17000-deaths-during-covid-study-finds/
12:11p, 1/5/24
And the study in the post two posts up showed there was no efficacy all the way back in 2020.
Same with Ivermectin sadly:
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2801827
Same with Ivermectin sadly:
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2801827
12:56p, 1/15/24
In reply to shiftyandquick
There is so much crap on every side of all of the Covid issues. It's almost impossible to sort out what's true and what's simply projection. It makes one wonder if all medicine is this bad.
Well, maybe and maybe not. As the article says:shiftyandquick said:
estimated 17,000 people dead from this drug.
https://www.politico.eu/article/hydroxychloroquine-could-have-caused-17000-deaths-during-covid-study-finds/
The article doesn't say how many of the 17,000 who died were so classified, or what other treatments they missed out on, or what the survival rate was for those "other effective treatments".Quote:
because of . . . its use instead of other effective treatments.
There is so much crap on every side of all of the Covid issues. It's almost impossible to sort out what's true and what's simply projection. It makes one wonder if all medicine is this bad.
2:50p, 1/26/24
In reply to Jabin
What other effective treatments???? For the longest time, the medical community told us there weren't any effective treatments, and even today, the only medicine they will prescribe is Paxlovid, other than the Z-pack which is not effective at all, except to stop bacterial infections that may spring up along with COVID.
2:53p, 1/26/24
In reply to Rex Racer
Exactly!Rex Racer said:
What other effective treatments???? For the longest time, the medical community told us there weren't any effective treatments, and even today, the only medicine they will prescribe is Paxlovid, other than the Z-pack which is not effective at all, except to stop bacterial infections that may spring up along with COVID.