This issue is airport and even time of day specific. In heavily utilized Clear airports pre-check can be faster. In other airports, Clear is faster.

At DAL, I've seen many times where general security is faster than pre-check because so many business people have pre-check that depending on time of day pre-check can get overloaded. I've been in a pre-check queue at DAL wrapped about 3 times when general is totally empty.

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Clear annoys the crap outta me. I have Pre-TSA and Global Entry. It's fine if Clear wants to operate and charge people to get through quicker. It's the American way. If I thought I needed it, I would join. But they just walk to the front of pre-TSA and barge in. Screw that, get your own line. Charge people whatever you want and pay an extra TSA agent to be just for Clear.

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You're just pissed that what you paid for (gubmint version) isn't as good at what I paid for (private industry version).

And paid for is somewhat incorrect, since my AMEX gives me a credit to cover it...

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No. I'm not. I'm all for Clear. I think it's a great idea. Just get your own lane. If you are going to offer a product, then be full service. Stop sponging off the line that's already there. It's not complicated.

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Doesn't TSA have to run the actual SECURITY part, though? Checking the IDs and running the scanners? How does Clear force TSA to open up a new lane?

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slaughtr said:

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slaughtr said:

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Clear annoys the crap outta me. I have Pre-TSA and Global Entry. It's fine if Clear wants to operate and charge people to get through quicker. It's the American way. If I thought I needed it, I would join. But they just walk to the front of pre-TSA and barge in. Screw that, get your own line. Charge people whatever you want and pay an extra TSA agent to be just for Clear.

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You're just pissed that what you paid for (gubmint version) isn't as good at what I paid for (private industry version).

And paid for is somewhat incorrect, since my AMEX gives me a credit to cover it...

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No. I'm not. I'm all for Clear. I think it's a great idea. Just get your own lane. If you are going to offer a product, then be full service. Stop sponging off the line that's already there. It's not complicated.

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Doesn't TSA have to run the actual SECURITY part, though? Checking the IDs and running the scanners? How does Clear force TSA to open up a new lane?

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And? Clear can pay to have a separate line with a TSA agent. You want to run a business, stop sponging off the airport.

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But somehow private jet services are ok

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Communism 101 :


Ability for the middle or upper middle class to benefit from their resources = bad and unfair, must redistribute


Ability for the elite and uber wealthy to do anything they want = ideal, must be protected

slaughtr said:

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slaughtr said:

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slaughtr said:

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Clear annoys the crap outta me. I have Pre-TSA and Global Entry. It's fine if Clear wants to operate and charge people to get through quicker. It's the American way. If I thought I needed it, I would join. But they just walk to the front of pre-TSA and barge in. Screw that, get your own line. Charge people whatever you want and pay an extra TSA agent to be just for Clear.

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You're just pissed that what you paid for (gubmint version) isn't as good at what I paid for (private industry version).

And paid for is somewhat incorrect, since my AMEX gives me a credit to cover it...

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No. I'm not. I'm all for Clear. I think it's a great idea. Just get your own lane. If you are going to offer a product, then be full service. Stop sponging off the line that's already there. It's not complicated.

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Doesn't TSA have to run the actual SECURITY part, though? Checking the IDs and running the scanners? How does Clear force TSA to open up a new lane?

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And? Clear can pay to have a separate line with a TSA agent. You want to run a business, stop sponging off the airport.

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How does Clear pay for something that TSA probably won't sell?

Clear can run their own security lane.
Some airports have private, non-TSA, security.
That's the issue. Clear bypasses the tsa ID check then still uses the TSA screening.

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Clear can run their own security lane.
Some airports have private, non-TSA, security.
That's the issue. Clear bypasses the tsa ID check then still uses the TSA screening.

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I don't think clear bypasses the TSA ID check. It just gets you to the front of the line waiting in the ID check. Think you Still gotta have the TSA agent stare at you like they hate their job and wave you up to scan boarding/show passport/ID.

No.
Clear allows people to skip that step

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No.
Clear allows people to skip that step

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well dang maybe I'm not getting all my clear benefits. I feel like I usually still have to show the TSA agent something before entering the security line process. 1) clear process (fingerprints or eyes and showing boarding pass etc); 2) skip to front of line and get to TSA agent (that I thought checks something??); 3) past TSA agent to security line. will pay more attention next time. Maybe it is just because i volunteer my boarding pass/ID to the TSA agent anyway

Once you confirm ID at Clear kiosk you only need to flash the boarding pass at TSA.

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slaughtr said:

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slaughtr said:

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Clear annoys the crap outta me. I have Pre-TSA and Global Entry. It's fine if Clear wants to operate and charge people to get through quicker. It's the American way. If I thought I needed it, I would join. But they just walk to the front of pre-TSA and barge in. Screw that, get your own line. Charge people whatever you want and pay an extra TSA agent to be just for Clear.

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You're just pissed that what you paid for (gubmint version) isn't as good at what I paid for (private industry version).

And paid for is somewhat incorrect, since my AMEX gives me a credit to cover it...

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No. I'm not. I'm all for Clear. I think it's a great idea. Just get your own lane. If you are going to offer a product, then be full service. Stop sponging off the line that's already there. It's not complicated.

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Doesn't TSA have to run the actual SECURITY part, though? Checking the IDs and running the scanners? How does Clear force TSA to open up a new lane?

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And? Clear can pay to have a separate line with a TSA agent. You want to run a business, stop sponging off the airport.

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How does Clear pay for something that TSA probably won't sell?

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Sounds like their problem to me.

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Clear can run their own security lane.
Some airports have private, non-TSA, security.
That's the issue. Clear bypasses the tsa ID check then still uses the TSA screening.

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There are only 21 commercial airports where TSA is not handling the security and half of those are piss ant airports. An airport has to apply to a program to have a private company do this instead of TSA and then that company has to obviously follow TSA regs and is under oversight of TSA.

So it's probably not that easy for Clear to run their own security lane. I don't recall if it's an all or nothing thing with the private company running security and if they can further sub out a security lane just for Clear.

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No.
Clear allows people to skip that step

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well dang maybe I'm not getting all my clear benefits. I feel like I usually still have to show the TSA agent something before entering the security line process. 1) clear process (fingerprints or eyes and showing boarding pass etc); 2) skip to front of line and get to TSA agent (that I thought checks something??); 3) past TSA agent to security line. will pay more attention next time. Maybe it is just because i volunteer my boarding pass/ID to the TSA agent anyway

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I've never shown the TSA guy my ID. The CLEAR guy has shown HIS ID, though...

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Scruffy said:

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Clear can run their own security lane.
Some airports have private, non-TSA, security.
That's the issue. Clear bypasses the tsa ID check then still uses the TSA screening.

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There are only 21 commercial airports where TSA is not handling the security and half of those are piss ant airports. An airport has to apply to a program to have a private company do this instead of TSA and then that company has to obviously follow TSA regs and is under oversight of TSA.

So it's probably not that easy for Clear to run their own security lane. I don't recall if it's an all or nothing thing with the private company running security and if they can further sub out a security lane just for Clear.

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****ing Tyler and Victoria have TSA running security for god's sake...

Who DOESN'T?

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fredfredunderscorefred said:

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Scruffy said:

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No.
Clear allows people to skip that step

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well dang maybe I'm not getting all my clear benefits. I feel like I usually still have to show the TSA agent something before entering the security line process. 1) clear process (fingerprints or eyes and showing boarding pass etc); 2) skip to front of line and get to TSA agent (that I thought checks something??); 3) past TSA agent to security line. will pay more attention next time. Maybe it is just because i volunteer my boarding pass/ID to the TSA agent anyway

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I've never shown the TSA guy my ID. The CLEAR guy has shown HIS ID, though...

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So airports are switching to ID and away from boarding pass. I haven't had my BP looked at in over a year including out of CRP.

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fredfredunderscorefred said:

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Scruffy said:

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No.
Clear allows people to skip that step

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well dang maybe I'm not getting all my clear benefits. I feel like I usually still have to show the TSA agent something before entering the security line process. 1) clear process (fingerprints or eyes and showing boarding pass etc); 2) skip to front of line and get to TSA agent (that I thought checks something??); 3) past TSA agent to security line. will pay more attention next time. Maybe it is just because i volunteer my boarding pass/ID to the TSA agent anyway

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I've never shown the TSA guy my ID. The CLEAR guy has shown HIS ID, though...

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gotchya; I couldn't remember what the TSA agent checked so I incorrectly interpreted it to mean the ability to skip the TSA agent completely after skipping to the front of the line. Mea culpa. I just generally think of clear as the ability to skip to the line to get the TSA agent quicker - whether he is looking at my ID while I scan the boarding pass isn't the real game changer (to me).

seems like some places do have a dedicated TSA precheck line so clear folks (without TSA pre) wouldn't skip in front of them (only skip in front of non clear)?

Clear checked your biometrics and connects it with your boarding pass that it also scans. You're then escorted to the TSA agent. You present your boarding pass to him. There's no way he can read it.

It makes no sense that the Clear agent is authenticating my identity and that I'm the one with a confirmed boarding pass, and I still have to flash my boarding pass to TSA again. Just let me walk by the TSA agent with no interaction with me -- just the Clear agent who should prove he is who he says he is to the TSA agent. There's your new security issue.

Depends on the airport, and the day.
Sometimes TSA is only checking ID and sometime they need boardingnpass too.

I joke every time with them about and even they don't understand

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Depends on the airport, and the day.
Sometimes TSA is only checking ID and sometime they need boardingnpass too.

I joke every time with them about and even they don't understand

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Depends on airport for sure. I've flown out of DAL, CRP, LAX, and AUS and none ask for BP anymore. I also fly exclusively pre-check.

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fredfredunderscorefred said:

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Scruffy said:

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No.
Clear allows people to skip that step

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well dang maybe I'm not getting all my clear benefits. I feel like I usually still have to show the TSA agent something before entering the security line process. 1) clear process (fingerprints or eyes and showing boarding pass etc); 2) skip to front of line and get to TSA agent (that I thought checks something??); 3) past TSA agent to security line. will pay more attention next time. Maybe it is just because i volunteer my boarding pass/ID to the TSA agent anyway

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I've never shown the TSA guy my ID. The CLEAR guy has shown HIS ID, though...

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So airports are switching to ID and away from boarding pass. I haven't had my BP looked at in over a year including out of CRP.

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I know that quite well. I DO like the fact that CRP doesn't make you take electronics out of the carryon. For awhile I would have a work laptop, macbook, and ipad...that was a PITA at airports. It's nice just sending the backpack through without pulling all the **** out of it.

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fredfredunderscorefred said:

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Scruffy said:

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No.
Clear allows people to skip that step

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well dang maybe I'm not getting all my clear benefits. I feel like I usually still have to show the TSA agent something before entering the security line process. 1) clear process (fingerprints or eyes and showing boarding pass etc); 2) skip to front of line and get to TSA agent (that I thought checks something??); 3) past TSA agent to security line. will pay more attention next time. Maybe it is just because i volunteer my boarding pass/ID to the TSA agent anyway

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I've never shown the TSA guy my ID. The CLEAR guy has shown HIS ID, though...

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gotchya; I couldn't remember what the TSA agent checked so I incorrectly interpreted it to mean the ability to skip the TSA agent completely after skipping to the front of the line. Mea culpa. I just generally think of clear as the ability to skip to the line to get the TSA agent quicker - whether he is looking at my ID while I scan the boarding pass isn't the real game changer (to me).

seems like some places do have a dedicated TSA precheck line so clear folks (without TSA pre) wouldn't skip in front of them (only skip in front of non clear)?

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I just looked and Clear can do your TSA Precheck **** online. You'd just fill out some stuff the next time you fly at the Clear line. Then...best of both worlds.

Even better when both Clear AND TSA Pre are things my CCs give me credit for.

I guess people are waking up to the uniparty fedgov profiting off a scam of instituting more job programs for a low performing low potential demographic.

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fredfredunderscorefred said:

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Scruffy said:

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No.
Clear allows people to skip that step

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well dang maybe I'm not getting all my clear benefits. I feel like I usually still have to show the TSA agent something before entering the security line process. 1) clear process (fingerprints or eyes and showing boarding pass etc); 2) skip to front of line and get to TSA agent (that I thought checks something??); 3) past TSA agent to security line. will pay more attention next time. Maybe it is just because i volunteer my boarding pass/ID to the TSA agent anyway

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I've never shown the TSA guy my ID. The CLEAR guy has shown HIS ID, though...

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So airports are switching to ID and away from boarding pass. I haven't had my BP looked at in over a year including out of CRP.

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I know that quite well. I DO like the fact that CRP doesn't make you take electronics out of the carryon. For awhile I would have a work laptop, macbook, and ipad...that was a PITA at airports. It's nice just sending the backpack through without pulling all the **** out of it.

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I just always laugh at how my tax dollars are funding up to 14 freaking TSA agents working per shift for a 5 gate airport that never has more than about 10 people going through security at a time.

I guess Clear touched him somewhere


I swear lefties and Dems get more and more soy every minute.

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fredfredunderscorefred said:

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Scruffy said:

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No.
Clear allows people to skip that step

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well dang maybe I'm not getting all my clear benefits. I feel like I usually still have to show the TSA agent something before entering the security line process. 1) clear process (fingerprints or eyes and showing boarding pass etc); 2) skip to front of line and get to TSA agent (that I thought checks something??); 3) past TSA agent to security line. will pay more attention next time. Maybe it is just because i volunteer my boarding pass/ID to the TSA agent anyway

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I've never shown the TSA guy my ID. The CLEAR guy has shown HIS ID, though...

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So airports are switching to ID and away from boarding pass. I haven't had my BP looked at in over a year including out of CRP.

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They used to compare ID to BP. I was held up once because my BP had my middle name instead of my first name.

Why check just your ID? To compare the pic to your face?

I get that they really shouldn't care if you are flying since they are putting you through the security check regardless, so not checking BP makes sense.

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Clear is BS. Who gave them the right to barge in front of everyone? I get the pre-check as it is government handled but Clear is selling something they shouldn't have the right to sell. Also what happens when everyone signs up for Clear? They will just up the prices more for those who can afford it, thus making the whole cost of travel inflate exponentially just for a middle man to make bank while the rest of us suffer.

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Congress AUTHORIZED them to do it...

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Facilitation payments used to be called bribes

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fredfredunderscorefred said:

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Scruffy said:

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No.
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well dang maybe I'm not getting all my clear benefits. I feel like I usually still have to show the TSA agent something before entering the security line process. 1) clear process (fingerprints or eyes and showing boarding pass etc); 2) skip to front of line and get to TSA agent (that I thought checks something??); 3) past TSA agent to security line. will pay more attention next time. Maybe it is just because i volunteer my boarding pass/ID to the TSA agent anyway

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I've never shown the TSA guy my ID. The CLEAR guy has shown HIS ID, though...

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So airports are switching to ID and away from boarding pass. I haven't had my BP looked at in over a year including out of CRP.

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I know that quite well. I DO like the fact that CRP doesn't make you take electronics out of the carryon. For awhile I would have a work laptop, macbook, and ipad...that was a PITA at airports. It's nice just sending the backpack through without pulling all the **** out of it.

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I just always laugh at how my tax dollars are funding up to 14 freaking TSA agents working per shift for a 5 gate airport that never has more than about 10 people going through security at a time.

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Who else here never puts their feet exactly in the space and never does exactly what you know they want you to do? If they have to ***** at me it greatly pleases me. Fuch TSA running.

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YouBet said:

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YouBet said:

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fredfredunderscorefred said:

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Scruffy said:

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No.
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well dang maybe I'm not getting all my clear benefits. I feel like I usually still have to show the TSA agent something before entering the security line process. 1) clear process (fingerprints or eyes and showing boarding pass etc); 2) skip to front of line and get to TSA agent (that I thought checks something??); 3) past TSA agent to security line. will pay more attention next time. Maybe it is just because i volunteer my boarding pass/ID to the TSA agent anyway

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I've never shown the TSA guy my ID. The CLEAR guy has shown HIS ID, though...

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So airports are switching to ID and away from boarding pass. I haven't had my BP looked at in over a year including out of CRP.

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I know that quite well. I DO like the fact that CRP doesn't make you take electronics out of the carryon. For awhile I would have a work laptop, macbook, and ipad...that was a PITA at airports. It's nice just sending the backpack through without pulling all the **** out of it.

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I just always laugh at how my tax dollars are funding up to 14 freaking TSA agents working per shift for a 5 gate airport that never has more than about 10 people going through security at a time.

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Who else here never puts their feet exactly in the space and never does exactly what you know they want you to do? If they have to ***** at me it greatly pleases me. Fuch TSA running.

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And these small town agents are out to save the world. They are convinced Grandma in a wheelchair is a terrorist.

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Clear is BS. Who gave them the right to barge in front of everyone? I get the pre-check as it is government handled but Clear is selling something they shouldn't have the right to sell. Also what happens when everyone signs up for Clear? They will just up the prices more for those who can afford it, thus making the whole cost of travel inflate exponentially just for a middle man to make bank while the rest of us suffer.

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People don't even ****ing pay for TSA Pre-check and it is $80 for 5 years.