The History behind Old Firm is unreal. This is worth the 45 mins if you have the time.themissinglink said:Generally yes, but not necessarily. In Scotland, fans in both Edinburgh and Glasgow are largely divided between Irish Catholics (Celtic, Hibernian) and Scottish unionists (Rangers, Hearts).Ken Scarborough said:
Is it fair to say the further from London the more anti monarchist you are?
At last weeks Old Firm match, one section of Celtic fans held up a large tifo of a 1969 picture taken during the Troubles of a 13-year old in a gas mask holding a bomb while Rangers fans sung songs remembering a 1930s Protestant loyalist gangster. In Celtic park, you'll see fans waving the Irish tri-color flag and at Ibrox, the union jack.
There is nothing tragic about a 96-year old passing away of natural causes. Which I guess plays into the whole question around postponing sporting events for 2 weeks. Seems a bit overboard, even for the tradition-minded Brits.eiggA2002 said:
In America we use sporting events to bring us together in tragic circumstances and it's one of the ways we corporately cope. September 11th is the obvious example. In the UK it's different. It's more traditional and ritualistic and based on respect and a period of public/private mourning. Nothing wrong with that. The influx of visitors to London in particular is a major issue for matches/security, etc. We're talking millions. Hell, they don't even allow ManU/City, Liverpool/Everton, and several others play at home the same weekend under normal circumstances.
Also, QE2 is not Betty White. She's the most well-known person on the planet over the last 100 years. We can all relax and sleep in this weekend. Let them mourn. It's not about us.
Only if you tie it to soccer by asking "I'm new to following the monarchy, which royal should I support?".jeffk said:
****posting about the monarchy should count.
None of them is the only correct answer.Dre_00 said:Only if you tie it to soccer by asking "I'm new to following the monarchy, which royal should I support?".jeffk said:
****posting about the monarchy should count.
Dre_00 said:Only if you tie it to soccer by asking "I'm new to following the monarchy, which royal should I support?".jeffk said:
****posting about the monarchy should count.
{Insert my thinkpiece about how Queen Latifah is most like A&M here}
My daughter plays for a club assoiciated with Celtic. Every year our kids have the opportunity with train with their academy and the girls get the opportunity to train with the women's team.KCup17 said:The History behind Old Firm is unreal. This is worth the 45 mins if you have the time.themissinglink said:Generally yes, but not necessarily. In Scotland, fans in both Edinburgh and Glasgow are largely divided between Irish Catholics (Celtic, Hibernian) and Scottish unionists (Rangers, Hearts).Ken Scarborough said:
Is it fair to say the further from London the more anti monarchist you are?
At last weeks Old Firm match, one section of Celtic fans held up a large tifo of a 1969 picture taken during the Troubles of a 13-year old in a gas mask holding a bomb while Rangers fans sung songs remembering a 1930s Protestant loyalist gangster. In Celtic park, you'll see fans waving the Irish tri-color flag and at Ibrox, the union jack.
It's very clear not to wear Celtic gear unless you're in a group going to the match or on the grounds, but otherwise cover it up.
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https://www.football365.com/news/premier-league-faces-new-problem-battles-fixtures-queen-death-funeral
Furlock Bones said:
Yep. This is why cancelling this past weekend was dumb and shortsighted. They already have a massively congested fixture list and anyone with a brain could have foreseen that the funeral weekend would cause major issues.
My question is why haven't they moved the non-Europe involved teams to midweek? That would surely free up some police for the games that have to be played on the weekend.
Aggies1322 said:Furlock Bones said:
Yep. This is why cancelling this past weekend was dumb and shortsighted. They already have a massively congested fixture list and anyone with a brain could have foreseen that the funeral weekend would cause major issues.
My question is why haven't they moved the non-Europe involved teams to midweek? That would surely free up some police for the games that have to be played on the weekend.
Stop thinking logically. This is the queen we are talking about. The queen!!!!
Aggies1322 said:Furlock Bones said:
Yep. This is why cancelling this past weekend was dumb and shortsighted. They already have a massively congested fixture list and anyone with a brain could have foreseen that the funeral weekend would cause major issues.
My question is why haven't they moved the non-Europe involved teams to midweek? That would surely free up some police for the games that have to be played on the weekend.
Even European games are being moved or postponed (Rangers game moved; Arsenal game postponed). That indicates that police staffing would be an issue even mid-week.
Also...this is a guess, but historically I don't think the EPL has often skewed the games played across teams unless they have to due to FA Cup/League Cup runs or the CWC. And even then, that only affects a couple of teams (or 1 team in the case of the CWC).
If, say, half the teams did move to mid-week, they would have 1 more game played than the rest of the league till 2023 at the earliest. I doubt that the EPL wants to invite the scrutiny that could come with that.
Liverpool having a home game this past week cinched it. They didn't want to see thousands acting like jack holes on worldwide TV during God Save the Queen and a minute of silence. And I'm not blaming LFC - but they'd have clearly been the most visible. It had already happened at the Hearts game in Scotland evidently. This is 100% about preserving the reputation of the monarchy.Furlock Bones said:
Yep. This is why cancelling this past weekend was dumb and shortsighted. They already have a massively congested fixture list and anyone with a brain could have foreseen that the funeral weekend would cause major issues.
I think it's all by design. They can use the shock as an excuse this past weekend, use the logistics as an excuse this weekend, and then they get two more weeks for things to cool off during the international break. Then it will no longer be "too soon" for whatever antics happen.
This makes sense.deadbq03 said:Liverpool having a home game this past week cinched it. They didn't want to see thousands acting like jack holes on worldwide TV during God Save the Queen and a minute of silence. And I'm not blaming LFC - but they'd have clearly been the most visible. It had already happened at the Hearts game in Scotland evidently. This is 100% about preserving the reputation of the monarchy.Furlock Bones said:
Yep. This is why cancelling this past weekend was dumb and shortsighted. They already have a massively congested fixture list and anyone with a brain could have foreseen that the funeral weekend would cause major issues.
I think it's all by design. They can use the shock as an excuse this past weekend, use the logistics as an excuse this weekend, and then they get two more weeks for things to cool off during the international break. Then it will no longer be "too soon" for whatever antics happen.
Damn...and Chelsea is the big winner out of this.
deadbq03 said:Liverpool having a home game this past week cinched it. They didn't want to see thousands acting like jack holes on worldwide TV during God Save the Queen and a minute of silence. And I'm not blaming LFC - but they'd have clearly been the most visible. It had already happened at the Hearts game in Scotland evidently. This is 100% about preserving the reputation of the monarchy.Furlock Bones said:
Yep. This is why cancelling this past weekend was dumb and shortsighted. They already have a massively congested fixture list and anyone with a brain could have foreseen that the funeral weekend would cause major issues.
I think it's all by design. They can use the shock as an excuse this past weekend, use the logistics as an excuse this weekend, and then they get two more weeks for things to cool off during the international break. Then it will no longer be "too soon" for whatever antics happen.
Weeeeelllll hold onto your butts then, monarchists, because there's apparently still a CL match happening at Anfield tomorrow night.
Matches postponed:
— Men in Blazers (@MenInBlazers) September 12, 2022
Chelsea v Liverpool
Manchester United v Leeds United
Brighton & Hove Albion v Crystal Palace https://t.co/uAGY35O0Rt
jeffk said:Matches postponed:
— Men in Blazers (@MenInBlazers) September 12, 2022
Chelsea v Liverpool
Manchester United v Leeds United
Brighton & Hove Albion v Crystal Palace https://t.co/uAGY35O0Rt
Why Man U?
Was scheduled for Sunday, day of the funeral, and many of the police security detail from Manchester are needed in London for the services (per United website)Ken Scarborough said:jeffk said:Matches postponed:
— Men in Blazers (@MenInBlazers) September 12, 2022
Chelsea v Liverpool
Manchester United v Leeds United
Brighton & Hove Albion v Crystal Palace https://t.co/uAGY35O0Rt
Why Man U?
Of course. TYAston94 said:Was scheduled for Sunday, day of the funeral, and many of the police security detail from Manchester are needed in London for the services (per United website)Ken Scarborough said:jeffk said:Matches postponed:
— Men in Blazers (@MenInBlazers) September 12, 2022
Chelsea v Liverpool
Manchester United v Leeds United
Brighton & Hove Albion v Crystal Palace https://t.co/uAGY35O0Rt
Why Man U?
The CL anthem takes care of part of the issue… Will they do a moment of silence? I'll have my popcorn ready.jeffk said:deadbq03 said:Liverpool having a home game this past week cinched it. They didn't want to see thousands acting like jack holes on worldwide TV during God Save the Queen and a minute of silence. And I'm not blaming LFC - but they'd have clearly been the most visible. It had already happened at the Hearts game in Scotland evidently. This is 100% about preserving the reputation of the monarchy.Furlock Bones said:
Yep. This is why cancelling this past weekend was dumb and shortsighted. They already have a massively congested fixture list and anyone with a brain could have foreseen that the funeral weekend would cause major issues.
I think it's all by design. They can use the shock as an excuse this past weekend, use the logistics as an excuse this weekend, and then they get two more weeks for things to cool off during the international break. Then it will no longer be "too soon" for whatever antics happen.
Weeeeelllll hold onto your butts then, monarchists, because there's apparently still a CL match happening at Anfield tomorrow night.
I believe they have a large Irish population.gougler08 said:
So without looking it up, why does Liverpool hate the queen / monarchy? I assume something from years ago?
https://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/why-do-liverpool-fans-boo-the-england-national-anthem/brksai15y4cw1vmddj2fbc6vz
Scouse, not English!
This is a great article about the city and club by Wright Thompson:
https://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/26635541/liverpool-rising
Furlock Bones said:
Yep. This is why cancelling this past weekend was dumb and shortsighted. They already have a massively congested fixture list and anyone with a brain could have foreseen that the funeral weekend would cause major issues.
Yep. I'm in London and Saturday was just another day here. Now they have to cancel two weekends of matches. Made zero sense. And yes I'm bitter because I had match tickets. This weeks will be a **** show in the city. Coming from the Cotswolds right now and the A40 is getting ready to be shut down for the queens body to arrive later. Police everywhere