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AG@RICE said:

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Last week Klopp said Endo was wasting time being "too nice". Endo definitely took that message to heart. He was an absolute bully yesterday. He physically dominated the midfield and his quick forward passing repeatedly sliced LCFC wide open.

Gravenberch also looked really good. He is so smooth with the ball at his feet. Seems insane that Bayern couldn't figure out how to use him. Thanks again Tuchel.

Lastly, if you didn't think Szobo was Stevie reborn that goal probably made you a convert. Even the celebration was shades of Gerrard.

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Szobo goal was outstanding

Let's go boys!!!

That's a BS red card. I know Jones was cleats up but his foot slipped on the top of the ball. Ridiculous.

0-0 but we're down a man in the 25' min

Why didn't they draw the lines on Diaz's goal? That was extremely close and it didn't feel like VAR even considered it.

This has been an officiating horror show. Omg.

That was painful...

Already got a PMGOL apology for the Diaz offside call.

In reply to jeffk This game should be shown to all match officials and Simon Hooper and the VAR should never ref a PL game again.

I'd rather them just double down on their wrongness. This does nothing.

It's mind blowing that the Premiere League can't get the VAR right. At least the "easy" ones like this. It really is inexcusable.

Y'all got ****ed.

Lol, back at the house and reading about it now... Apparently VAR thought they were checking for onsides. They were checking for the exact opposite call and their confirmation should have been an overturn. Wow. Just wow.

In reply to Ag-in-a-Box That's BS. It's a goal, of course you're checking for offsides. Checking for anything else makes no sense!

In reply to Ag-in-a-Box Yep yep yep. So much worse than actually just getting it wrong.

So the VAR, Darren England, checked offside thinking the onfield decision was "goal."

It was a quick offside check because it was clear Diaz was onside, so he told the referee "check complete".

In telling the ref "check complete" he is saying the onfield decision was correct.

— Dale Johnson (@DaleJohnsonESPN) September 30, 2023

And Jota made zero contact on either of his cards. Just shambolic stuff.

In reply to jeffk Sounds like they did to y'all what they did to Arsenal in February. Just not draw the lines out of sheer laziness

So who is to blame? The 4th official? Who tells VAR what the on field decision was?

In reply to TXAggie2011 I mean they're supposed to be watching the game, so seeing Spurs set up for a freekick should have been a pretty big clue.

In reply to jeffk

jeffk said:

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I mean they're supposed to be watching the game, so seeing Spurs set up for a freekick should have been a pretty big clue.

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Okay yes but aren't they also supposed to be vigorously watching replays? how do those mechanics work, especially in less obvious situations?

Anyhow, sounds like they need to require the verbiage to include the actual call. "The call is confirmed. The player was onsides and the goal counts."

In reply to TXAggie2011 It's just incredible that no one along that chain of communication would mention the call was offside. Or that as soon as they said call confirmed and they let Spurs take the freekick they didn't buzz him back to fix it. Sheer incompetence.

They are English. It wont occur to them that they can just stop the game and bend the rules to fix the problem. In their mind once the free kick is taken then "by the letter of the law there is just nothing we can do because the game continued, look its printed in black and white in our rules!" even though the whole reason they exist is to get the call right when something gets ****ed up.

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jeffk said:

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And Jota made zero contact on either of his cards. Just shambolic stuff.

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I think the Spur kicked Jota's knee on the first one which caused him to fall. No intent (or action) at all on Jota's part.

But he got him on the second one didn't he?

What a ****ing hose job.

Still pissed about that game. VAR spent like 10 minutes finding the 1 frame that would upgrade CuJo's foul to a red card, but couldn't spend 5 seconds to honestly evaluate that offsides call.

Pure BS.

At the end of the day, I left that game with greater confidence in the team. It took Tottenham, plus all 3 refs AND the VAR officials to beat Liverpool. They can't do that every week.

We owe Brighton a beating. Revenge tour starts next Sunday.

In reply to ChipFTAC01 Idk, I watched about twenty slo-mo replays and some looked like he barely made contact and others it looks like he misses completely and the Spurs player dove. Either way, very much not a legit yellow card.

Just for funsies let's go tinfoil hat conspiracy believers here for a moment. Apparently Darren England, Daniel Cook, and Michael Oliver all got the opportunity to travel to UEA and officiate a game just this past week.

The key now is for the management and team leaders to not allow the VAR injustice to distract them from the next game. Can't let a close loss beat you twice, especially when it carries the extra burden of a feeling of being robbed. The biggest positive is that Spurs couldn't hang until they had a man advantage, and even then, they never really looked like scoring. It's starting to feel like this team will compete with Arsenal and City for top 3, baring major injuries (obviously).

The team has formally requested audio of the VAR and on-field communication.

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jeffk said:

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The team has formally requested audio of the VAR and on-field communication.

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I get it but they gotta just move on. We got screwed. Just prepare for and only talk about the Europa League game and the big one against BHA this weekend.

In reply to OregonAggie I'm confident the players and coaches and staff had moved past Saturday by Sunday.

Any SA Liverpool fans on here? We're going to go stay at my in laws place in Alamo Heights and I think the pub by their house (The Winchester on Broadway) is a Liverpool bar. Might take the opportunity for some communal day drinking with a pub in walking distance. Not sure if they're open for a 8a kick.

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ChipFTAC01 said:

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Any SA Liverpool fans on here? We're going to go stay at my in laws place in Alamo Heights and I think the pub by their house (The Winchester on Broadway) is a Liverpool bar. Might take the opportunity for some communal day drinking with a pub in walking distance. Not sure if they're open for a 8a kick.

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All signs point to maybe. Looks like they've opened early for games recently, the SA group still meets there to watch games, but I'm not finding anything specific to this weekend.

Posted about this on the ****housery thread, but figured I'd drop this here too. Just a terrible process.

This is hilariously bad omds pic.twitter.com/3Tf4nH1VUt

— Hennes (@Hennes_4) October 3, 2023

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Ag-in-a-Box said:

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ChipFTAC01 said:

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Any SA Liverpool fans on here? We're going to go stay at my in laws place in Alamo Heights and I think the pub by their house (The Winchester on Broadway) is a Liverpool bar. Might take the opportunity for some communal day drinking with a pub in walking distance. Not sure if they're open for a 8a kick.

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All signs point to maybe. Looks like they've opened early for games recently, the SA group still meets there to watch games, but I'm not finding anything specific to this weekend.

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Thanks.