Updates on House Foreign Aid Bill

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The Foreign Aid Bill is being voted on this morning. There are multiple bills being debated this morning. The highlights of what's in the bills:

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The House plans to vote Saturday on a $95 billion package of foreign aid bills that would provide funding for Ukraine, Israel and Taiwan, among other priorities.

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The scheduled order of votes Saturday afternoon is significant. It's notable that the funding for Ukraine will be voted on before the Israel bill. That is the order that Democrats wanted because there was worry among Democrats that if Israel was voted on before Ukraine, Republicans would have no incentive to support Ukraine funding and jeopardize the measure's passage.
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...H.R. 8036, the Indo-Pacific Security Supplemental Act of 2024. The bill would provide supplemental appropriations for the Department of Defense and the State Department to support U.S. allies and activities in the Indo-Pacific.
The TikTok ban got tucked into one of these bills:

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One of the bills House lawmakers will vote on Saturday includes a measure that would require TikTok to divest from its Chinese parent company, ByteDance, or face a prohibition in the United States.
Earlier this week, Republican House leaders unveiled an unconventional plan to tuck the TikTok crackdown into a series of foreign aid packages slated for a Saturday vote.

The tactic could fast-track the proposal, maneuvering the stand-alone bill that has stalled in the Senate.
The measure called the Protecting Americans from Foreign Adversary Controlled Applications Act, or H.R. 7521 would give apps deemed to be "controlled" by rival foreign powers 180 days to divest or face a prohibition.

The bill explicitly designates TikTok and other platforms owned by ByteDance as "foreign adversary controlled applications" and would create a mechanism by which the president could target additional apps in the future.
And last of all and least because our government has decided to f* over the citizens of this country we have this one:

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The House is also set to consider a fifth bill of GOP priorities to secure the border, but it will mostly likely fail because it requires a two-thirds vote, unlike the other bills, which require a simple majority.
Thus, the normal Democrat Blackmail Voting strategy has worked yet again. They will get their foreign aid money and keep our border open to terrorists and illegal aliens. Biden no longer has any political cover to keep him from reversing all that he has done to make us vulnerable. But I'm sure we will keep on letting the world's garbage pour into our country.
BigRobSA
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"Foreign aid"

How about "No!" !?

We're broke, go **** yourselves NotAmerica.
No Spin Ag
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BigRobSA said:

"Foreign aid"

How about "No!" !?

We're broke, go **** yourselves NotAmerica.
No more love for the Israel and its Jews?
There are in fact two things, science and opinion; the former begets knowledge, the later ignorance. Hippocrates
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I'm as big an Israel supporter as there is, but if the Democrats insist on voting on a Ukraine aid package first to force Republicans to vote for it in order to assure enough votes on aid to Israel, I hope they both go down in flames.
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So $94 billion goes to Ukraine?
BigRobSA
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No Spin Ag said:

BigRobSA said:

"Foreign aid"

How about "No!" !?

We're broke, go **** yourselves NotAmerica.
No more love for the Israel and its Jews?

Israel can handle themselves. I love them enough to know this and support their right to glassing Gaza, if that's what they desire. Just not with my money.
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Notably, yesterday was an important anniversary in American history.



249 years. And tomorrow happens to be another important one for Texans.





(Nothing against Alaska, it's a meme).
No Spin Ag
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BigRobSA said:

No Spin Ag said:

BigRobSA said:

"Foreign aid"

How about "No!" !?

We're broke, go **** yourselves NotAmerica.
No more love for the Israel and its Jews?

Israel can handle themselves. I love them enough to know this and support their right to glassing Gaza, if that's what they desire. Just not with my money.
As always, respect.
There are in fact two things, science and opinion; the former begets knowledge, the later ignorance. Hippocrates
Ellis Wyatt
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Thieves.
Kraft Punk
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Lmao that we're still spending money like this....


Good lord we deserve everything coming to us
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Elections are when people find out what politicians stand for, and politicians find out what people will fall for.
- Alfred E. Neuman
rocky the dog
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Elections are when people find out what politicians stand for, and politicians find out what people will fall for.
- Alfred E. Neuman
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cupcakesprinkles said:

So $94 billion goes to Ukraine?
JW
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They figured out how to get rich during the original bailouts. They can't turn the faucet off.
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For those that understand global economics and geopolitics, sometimes you have to spend money in the present to prevent greater losses or future costs. How and when is debatable but that this is virtually always true sooner or later for a global military and economic power with trillions in international trade every year is not. It isn't a given that sending abroad is always wasteful and that it will never be profitable or prevent future costs. The presumption that all activities outside our borders are waste is faulty.

It can be asked and argued why Ukraine, and what is the cost and benefit? But I think these actually must be laid out instead of blindly presumed based on ideology. My personal view is that we unfortunately broke it and bought it with our WMD removal guarantee and our color revolution manipulations and our stake is our reputation of making threats and treaties that we actually will back up more than a year or two or a single congress Or administration. There are many malefactors that wish us harm and failure working against our interests and trade and military Allie's we draw benefit from having, and they all must understand our power and resolve. A fickle USA is weak and will be defied and ignored, and our economy and security will suffer. If you aren't the bully, you are the bullied, unfortunately.
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This **** is a ******* joke.
Logos Stick
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Way to go Mr Mike "212" Johnson. Giving the Dems exactly what they want.

Screw that dude.
Slicer97
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Thank you Democrat voters.
MouthBQ98
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Can someone summarize exactly what is in each bill?
Texasaggie32
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We've got to stop wasting money on Israel and the Ukraine.
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Logos Stick said:

Way to go Mr Mike "212" Johnson. Giving the Dems exactly what they want.

Screw that dude.


Overwhleming support from Republicans too. Maybe this forum is just wrong.
Gordo14
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Slicer97 said:

Thank you Democrat voters.


2/3rds of Republican House members voting yes. Blames Democrats.
Logos Stick
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Gordo14 said:

Logos Stick said:

Way to go Mr Mike "212" Johnson. Giving the Dems exactly what they want.

Screw that dude.


Overwhleming support from Republicans too. Maybe this forum is just conservative.


Fify
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Gordo14 said:

Slicer97 said:

Thank you Democrat voters.


2/3rds of Republican House members voting yes. Blames Democrats.


Insert Principal Skinner meme here.
This forum is unhinged now.
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No Spin Ag said:

BigRobSA said:

"Foreign aid"

How about "No!" !?

We're broke, go **** yourselves NotAmerica.
No more love for the Israel and its Jews?



Guess Israel doesn't send enough aid back to our politicians.
agz win
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Waiting on MTG and don to save us all.
Ellis Wyatt
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Gordo14 said:

Slicer97 said:

Thank you Democrat voters.


2/3rds of Republican House members voting yes. Blames Democrats.
You must not pay attention when you post here.
74OA
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The House passed the Ukraine Security Supplemental Appropriations Act with a bipartisan vote of 311-112.
Logos Stick
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212 Johnson can't pass a damn thing without his Dem buddies.

Thankfully his tenure is almost over. Regardless of who wins in November, Dems or Rs, his butt will be tossed into the dustbin of history.
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MouthBQ98 said:

For those that understand global economics and geopolitics, sometimes you have to spend money in the present to prevent greater losses or future costs. How and when is debatable but that this is virtually always true sooner or later for a global military and economic power with trillions in international trade every year is not. It isn't a given that sending abroad is always wasteful and that it will never be profitable or prevent future costs. The presumption that all activities outside our borders are waste is faulty.

It can be asked and argued why Ukraine, and what is the cost and benefit? But I think these actually must be laid out instead of blindly presumed based on ideology. My personal view is that we unfortunately broke it and bought it with our WMD removal guarantee and our color revolution manipulations and our stake is our reputation of making threats and treaties that we actually will back up more than a year or two or a single congress Or administration. There are many malefactors that wish us harm and failure working against our interests and trade and military Allie's we draw benefit from having, and they all must understand our power and resolve. A fickle USA is weak and will be defied and ignored, and our economy and security will suffer. If you aren't the bully, you are the bullied, unfortunately.
My objections are based on strategy. Your points are certainly true and I understand the global aspect of our influence. What I don't want is to continue this circle jerk expenditure if we have no political will to WIN. What is the plan for victory?
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I think spending on Ukraine is still a good thing. Israel doesn't face a threat they need our money for at the moment, so no to them.

I also think Republicans are lame for caving to giving any money without guarantees for border security. Screw all politicians!
TRADUCTOR
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Ukraine bill funds stealing the presidential election. Not Ukraine's, the U.S., cause Zelensky eliminated his 2024 presidential election problem.
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Everything passes.....except protection for our own border.

FU America!
nortex97
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Yep. And funding Ukraine's border security with $300 million in US taxpayer funds to lock Ukrainians in so they can't escape conscription, pending our own election fraud and invasion is the apex of hypocrisy.

Mike Johnson might as well go out and give a speech begging American conservatives to vote for Biden, or just 'don't vote' this November.
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Everybody in America just donated $300 to Ukraine/Israel/Taiwan or $600 for every taxpayer.

Israel and Taiwan are rich. Ukraine is poor but this money just prolongs the inevitable.

This type of thing is what's wrong with the USA. We're taxed up the ass and nothing to show for it. Anything public service sucks here. This is where the Rs really piss me off sometimes. They'll vote for something like this giving a nice payday to defense companies but god forbid $95B is spent on the American people. Spend $95B on the American people and it's socialism or inflation or debt is out of control. Spend $95B on anything but the American people and all of a sudden those things don't matter.

Don't spend it at all or if you must spend it, give to actual Americans.
 
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