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If you are planning on doing any road tripping, then get the Tesla. Yes that includes if you only plan on road tripping just once a year and also includes the fact that Hyundai will have access to Tesla Superchargers sometime in the near future. Because even once Hyundai has access, that does not automatically make it the exact same fast charging experience that you would get with the Model Y.

For example, Ford right now technically has access to Tesla Superchargers but it isn't to all superchargers. They do not have access to any V2 or Urban chargers, and do not have access to all V3 chargers. This results on Ford only having access to about 60% of Tesla entire network. They are also charged a higher price rate compared to Tesla vehicles. Additionally specific to Hyundai and Kia, you'll get much slower charging speeds compared to Tesla because Hyundai did not optimally design their 800V architectural to be charged through Teslas 400V superchargers. Porsche however can fully utilize Teslas supercharger speeds even on 800V since they did design for that.

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I'm convinced and getting a Taycan Cross Turismo this weekend.

In reply to Guitarsoup Ha ha been to GUMO and Big Bend in the last two years in a buddy's modded out LC with Beverly Hillbillies level cargo on top. Talk about frequent stops!

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Ha ha been to GUMO and Big Bend in the last two years in a buddy's modded out LC with Beverly Hillbillies level cargo on top. Talk about frequent stops!

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Yeah, I have the roof top tent (vinyl covered cheap one, not fancy clamshell one) and 270 degree batwing awning. I'm averaging about 10.8mpg in this bad boy.

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But for many others that really want/need one vehicle to do serve all their driving needs and want that vehicle to be an EV, then Tesla is the only way to go. Because it takes just that one road trip that you only take one time a year to find out why all OEMs have jumped the CCS ship and gotten onboard the Tesla ship.

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I think you are describing an edge case that would not impact the average EV buyer's decision. The numbers I found from 2020 show that 1/3 of all households have only one car, while almost 60% have two or more. The average TX household has 2.3.

Edit - I found a AAA study from 2020 that says 80% of EV owners also have a gas car.

If you are in the minority that has only one car, and the way smaller minority where that one car is an EV, then you could rent a gas car for your annual long road trip, which makes the superior Tesla charging network moot in your car buying decision.

There are plenty of good reasons to choose a Tesla or to choose a non-Tesla. I think that for the majority of potential buyers, the quality of the charging network is one of the smaller factors.

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Here's the route to BigBend, a little out of the way and I'd be doing 65 out west to save the battery.

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I'm gonna stick to my LandCruiser for that trip and just pay eleventy hundred dollars for gas and stop every 250 miles.

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I'd drive the Lx and do some dirt roads too.

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drumboy said:

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Here's the route to BigBend, a little out of the way and I'd be doing 65 out west to save the battery.

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I'm gonna stick to my LandCruiser for that trip and just pay eleventy hundred dollars for gas and stop every 250 miles.

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I'd drive the Lx and do some dirt roads too.

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Sorry about your soccer mom version of the LandCruiser.

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But for many others that really want/need one vehicle to do serve all their driving needs and want that vehicle to be an EV, then Tesla is the only way to go. Because it takes just that one road trip that you only take one time a year to find out why all OEMs have jumped the CCS ship and gotten onboard the Tesla ship.

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I think you are describing an edge case that would not impact the average EV buyer's decision. The numbers I found from 2020 show that 1/3 of all households have only one car, while almost 60% have two or more. The average TX household has 2.3.

Edit - I found a AAA study from 2020 that says 80% of EV owners also have a gas car.

If you are in the minority that has only one car, and the way smaller minority where that one car is an EV, then you could rent a gas car for your annual long road trip, which makes the superior Tesla charging network moot in your car buying decision.

There are plenty of good reasons to choose a Tesla or to choose a non-Tesla. I think that for the majority of potential buyers, the quality of the charging network is one of the smaller factors.

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This is the only way people are willing to discuss EVs.

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Here's the route to BigBend, a little out of the way and I'd be doing 65 out west to save the battery.

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I'm gonna stick to my LandCruiser for that trip and just pay eleventy hundred dollars for gas and stop every 250 miles.

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I'd drive the Lx and do some dirt roads too.

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Sorry about your soccer mom version of the LandCruiser.

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LX 200 is best 200

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Here's the route to BigBend, a little out of the way and I'd be doing 65 out west to save the battery.

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I'm gonna stick to my LandCruiser for that trip and just pay eleventy hundred dollars for gas and stop every 250 miles.

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I'd drive the Lx and do some dirt roads too.

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Sorry about your soccer mom version of the LandCruiser.

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LX 200 is best 200

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Haha I bought it from a friends 75 year old mother in law.

Well maintained at the dealer and never went over 65

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Yes it's a dumb rental vehicle for anyone not familiar with teslas.

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True, I was going to rent one when I flew into New Orleans, but decided I didn't want that learning curve for just a weekend use.

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Deciding now between the Hyundai Ioniq 5 and the LRMY. Luckily not having to make a decision right this second - so waiting to see what Tesla prices do or if we get any hint at a new model. Like the Hyundai but to get the features to rival the Tesla it's a good chunk more money.

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Tesla just dropped prices like 2k. Would be surprised if they dropped again.

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Not to derail but I'd be curious as to people's thoughts about PHEV. Wife kind of interested in Beemer's X5 (I believe its the X5) that's PHEV. She could do her commute round trip pure EV then car switch over to gas if she were to run extra errands, etc. We'd need a Level 2 home charger is only downside, apparently 110volt too slow to charge overnight, but the car would be garaged and charging would occur at home each night.

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Perfect if your goal is unlimited range & better gas mileage.

My thoughts are that they're more expensive (than ICE or full EV), slower (usually), and more stuff to break.

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Yeah, trying to decide if I think PHEVs are the best of both worlds or the worst of both worlds...

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BMW would be the last PHEV I would buy. Look at Toyota first.

In reply to Guitarsoup True - i was just curious if we'd see a larger drop later on (similar to beginning of the year) due to them having such a bad quarter. I think i'm definitely leaning Tesla's way - never fully trusted Kia/Hyundai but that Ioniq 5 was really nice.

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Just curious if anyone has had experience with the Hyundai EV line? In the market for a new vehicle and this will primarily be a commuter car as we have a mini-van for any major road trips with the kiddos. I have circled Tesla Model Y right now but keep seeing the Hyundai Ioniq 5/6 popping up on reviewer lists.

Curious if anyone has had experience or could provide insight as I weigh options. Test driving the Tesla Friday and a Hyundai on Saturday.

TIA

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The Ioniq 5 looks cool but the Ioniq 6 looks like @$$...and I have a Model Y so obviously I'm into ugly cars. Why did they make the front & back the same exact angle?

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I know nothing about cars, but I think its prettier that the 5. I am getting one today today as a 3rd car for wife or daughter when doing local driving. I have had such a good experience with my G70 and older daughters Kona, I am hooked on Korean cars. Not sold on EVs, so I am doing a 2 yr lease because of all the crazy incentives they have on them. Keeping the old odyssey around for family driving on long trips. Will do most charging at home, but supposedly you can use the CS Tesla chargers on it with an adapter.

Actually saw a Hummer EV

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Just curious if anyone has had experience with the Hyundai EV line? In the market for a new vehicle and this will primarily be a commuter car as we have a mini-van for any major road trips with the kiddos. I have circled Tesla Model Y right now but keep seeing the Hyundai Ioniq 5/6 popping up on reviewer lists.

Curious if anyone has had experience or could provide insight as I weigh options. Test driving the Tesla Friday and a Hyundai on Saturday.

TIA

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The Ioniq 5 looks cool but the Ioniq 6 looks like @$$...and I have a Model Y so obviously I'm into ugly cars. Why did they make the front & back the same exact angle?

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I know nothing about cars, but I think its prettier that the 5. I am getting one today today as a 3rd car for wife or daughter when doing local driving. I have had such a good experience with my G70 and older daughters Kona, I am hooked on Korean cars. Not sold on EVs, so I am doing a 2 yr lease because of all the crazy incentives they have on them. Keeping the old odyssey around for family driving on long trips. Will do most charging at home, but supposedly you can use the CS Tesla chargers on it with an adapter.

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The back just looks funky to me like they're copying a 911.

Everyone I know with Hyundais/Kias love them so I'm sure you'll be happy. Do you know if it will charge at full speeds at Superchargers?

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Just curious if anyone has had experience with the Hyundai EV line? In the market for a new vehicle and this will primarily be a commuter car as we have a mini-van for any major road trips with the kiddos. I have circled Tesla Model Y right now but keep seeing the Hyundai Ioniq 5/6 popping up on reviewer lists.

Curious if anyone has had experience or could provide insight as I weigh options. Test driving the Tesla Friday and a Hyundai on Saturday.

TIA

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The Ioniq 5 looks cool but the Ioniq 6 looks like @$$...and I have a Model Y so obviously I'm into ugly cars. Why did they make the front & back the same exact angle?

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I know nothing about cars, but I think its prettier that the 5. I am getting one today today as a 3rd car for wife or daughter when doing local driving. I have had such a good experience with my G70 and older daughters Kona, I am hooked on Korean cars. Not sold on EVs, so I am doing a 2 yr lease because of all the crazy incentives they have on them. Keeping the old odyssey around for family driving on long trips. Will do most charging at home, but supposedly you can use the CS Tesla chargers on it with an adapter.

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The back just looks funky to me like they're coping a 911.

Everyone I know with Hyundais/Kias love them so I'm sure you'll be happy. Do you know if it will charge at full speeds at Superchargers?

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It's a still a little gray right now, not sure I want to use a non approved adapter. But it comes with free charging at the nearest level 3 charger to us.

Ioniq vs Model Y side by side

Here is our new "ugly" car

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Here is our new "ugly" car

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Perfect angle!

Looks good.

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Only thing that makes less sense than buying an EV is buying one that's not a Tesla

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I must say Fido this comment has burrowed into my head.

In reply to htownag08 Here's my wife's new Model 3 she took delivery of last week. I'll admit it's pretty damn fun to drive. She hates stopping for gas so that was her primary EV motivation along with advanced navigation, autopilot, and pet mode although she was already *****ing today when she realized a trip to her parents this weekend was going to require a stop in Luling at a Supercharger

For those of you with EVs, how does your insurance compare to your ICE vehicles?

I had Liere Insurance runs some comps for me and any EV that wasn't a Tesla was considerably lower in premiums.

Just added the ioniq to insurance and it's the cheapest of the 4 cars when it comes to comprehensive coverage by about $100 /six months

In reply to Another Doug I've also been eyeing the VW ID.4 as well. The insurance premiums are low as well compared to the Tesla's. Do you know about Tesla insurance? My teacher friend says that she pays for Tesla insurance straight through Tesla. She says it pretty cheap but then again, she doesn't have two teenage drivers.

In reply to Red Pear Felipe My non-Tesla EV is about $200 a year less than my gas Subaru. Seems about right since the Subie is worth a few thousand more and I put more miles per year on it since it is my road trip car.

In reply to steve00 Did you get your Mini EV new or used?

In reply to Red Pear Felipe I got it new, a little over a year ago. The Subie was also new, a little under a year ago.

In reply to Red Pear Felipe No idea about Tesla. My next newest car is a 2021 , so the ioniq is probably worth the most at this point, but cheapest comprehensive. I have a 18 and 21 year old so I'll hardly notice adding another car to my insurance.

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I've also been eyeing the VW ID.4 as well. The insurance premiums are low as well compared to the Tesla's. Do you know about Tesla insurance? My teacher friend says that she pays for Tesla insurance straight through Tesla. She says it pretty cheap but then again, she doesn't have two teenage drivers.

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I like the ID.4s look. Make sure you read up on navigation and charging as I heard a while back it would route you to only noncompliant chargers.

Tesla insurance varies based on your driving habits and I get 5 FCWs (front collision warnings) a day so mine would be high.

The IONIQ6 is apparently loaded to the gills with chips made by my company, so please buy lots of those.