In reply to class of 03

class of 03 said:

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This was never about the big names in big fields, only about big names getting paid. Without Phil's gambling, not sure we are even here today. But he hit a big parlay with PIF.

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LIV is nothing more than Greg Norman and his ego finding someone dumb enough and with deep enough pockets to bankroll his long-held vendetta against the PGA Tour. It made a select few richer than they already would've been and few richer than they would've ever had a chance to be but so far I don't see it really accomplishing anything, especially "growing the game." It's just a bunch of millionaires who want their cake and to eat it too by doing less work for the same benefits and rewards versus millionaires who care more about the history and traditions of the professional game. I personally can't stand hearing Brandel's overplayed diatribes about "blood money" and "sportswashing" too. All it's done so far is diminish the fan experience. As a fan, it's tiresome.

In reply to safety guy I like these ideas

Need more of these ideas/posts

In reply to safety guy

safety guy said:

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Growing the game is about taking tournaments with big name players worldwide, not just North America and Europe. One thing about LIV is that you know who is playing each event versus a random pga event with a smattering of their high profile players. The pga has worked with the players to make sure there are several big names at each event. But what I would like to see with LIV is have them go to 72 holes and have the team event have the same current rules except make it the first 3 days. Then have the final round be individual only and not shotgun start.

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You're onto something here.

Four days. Full field for three days, concluding with the team winner.

Cut down on day four for a final, traditional round to decide the overall winner.

That's a great format idea. The shotgun start on the last day really takes the suspense out of it. It really just feels like a regular round or an exhibition really.

In reply to safety guy Great idea.

Part of the problem people have with LIV is that there is no way to play your way into LIV.

Having some sort of LIV "pool" for players from all tours to opt into may work. Bottom finishers at LIV event get replaced by players in the pool (prioritized by OWGR or something). Of course, the PGAT and DPWT would have to give the ok.

In reply to _lefraud_ I think they've actually discussed ways for this to happen. But the current stonewalling by OWGR and the major entities for now I think has them just saying "fine, **** it. We'll do what we want and poach 1 or 2 stars a year until you are willing to work with us in good faith"

I love the team concept and love the idea of having a thriving PGAT, DPWT etc in addition to an overarching "F1-esque" limited schedule international league that has promotion/relegation built in for people to earn their way up into it or fall out.

I think we will ultimately get there but it still has a lot of hurdles.

They had it. It was called the WGC. Basically fizzled over time because there really isn't that much elevated interest in it from a fan perspective

In reply to DannyDuberstein WGC was nowhere near the concept that LIV is attempting.

Yea, WGC is basically what the Signature events are now, except one or two were played outside the US.

In reply to Bunk Moreland

Bunk Moreland said:

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WGC was nowhere near the concept that LIV is attempting.

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Not the team aspect (although there was one team event for 7 years), but players playing themselves into (and out of) the Top 50 to play in international, no-cut events is exactly what you just described. WGC had events in China, Spain, Ireland, England, Mexico, etc over time

pretty good interview here with bryson going pretty depth on LIV. It is a good listen. fast forward about 45 min to get to the LIV talk.

They need to learn how to drown out the club banger music in this broadcast. Hard to listen to…definitely not golf nap material.

https://www.golfmagic.com/tour/liv-golf/odds-slashed-european-ryder-cup-hero-join-liv-golf


Viktor making the switch?

In reply to AustinCountyAg I feel like I've hardly seen him in tournaments lately and when he does show up he plays bad. Wouldn't surprise me if he goes.

Wouldn't surprise me given he's been more vocal than most about Monahan.

Forgot Singapore is this weekend. Round one complete with a lot of good scores. AK actually shot under par. 8:15 tonight. I'll have it on tv2 with the Ags on the primary.

Good nightcap golf. Interesting that Koepka does not wear Smash gear on the course.